Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Blue Peter presenters

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 09:49, 16 July 2008 [1].

List of Blue Peter presenters

My first nomination in a while. I've worked on this in my userspace for a couple of days, and then moved it into namespace. I think everything is in check. I'll make an attempt to address all comments. Thank you. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good at first sight; ref 4 needs a "title=" parameter. Will go over in more detail if/when time permits. Bencherlite ^Talk 08:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Good catch, thank you. I'll be waiting! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, here's some thoughts:
- I've made some copyedit changes (minor typos, grammar points, broken references etc) but do check you're happy with them
  - Yes, they're excellent, thank you!
- Reference 1: the link doesn't point to anything useful (did you meant this instead?).
  - Well, that link has the episode online, but I've always assumed that the url= field in {{cite episode}} is for the series, not an episode. I've changed it, anyway. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you need a written source for the start date, the British Film Institute website would do. If you need a reference that it's coming back in the autumn, then perhaps a story about Gethin's replacement starting in Sept 2008 would fit the bill – that source might also be useful for the last sentence/paragraph in the lead.
  - Done, thanks for those! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you want a BBC source for it being the longest-running children's show, rather than The ever-reliable Super Soaraway Sun, see this.
  - Done -- Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The last sentence/paragraph can surely be worked into one of the other paragraphs, rather than finish on a one-sentence paragraph.
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't know. It seems awkward in any of the others.
- I know that the last sentence of the first paragraph is correct, but is there a reference for it for posterity?
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The BBC Archives is a dab page, with no obvious replacement. The concept of a BBC archive is clear enough, and you can probably survive without a blue link if there's no article about it already.
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 8 says that Fielding was 18 1/2, not 17.
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a source for Noakes being the oldest presenter, or is it mathematics from various DOBs?
  - Mathematics from various DOBs. (The BBC's I love Blue Peter site has the birthdates of each presenter) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "He was terminated immediately" - much as I love the image of Lorraine Heggesey as Mafia boss, perhaps this could be reworded?
  - Done "Released from his contract" Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The Curse of Blue Peter would fit either as the second sentence in that paragraph, or after all the "career disaster stories"; it's a little awkward in its current placing.
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure about the fair-use rationale for the logo (what plot?), but that's not my field.
  - Done. I used {{logo fur}} which I think will have fixed it
- Did you use this calculator, rather than this one? Not sure how the one mentioned in the article would give you the number of days, or why you need to credit the tool anyway (it's just a matter of maths). In any case, please recheck the days for Stuart Miles and Tina Heath, I get different numbers (using MS Excel).
  - Done Fixed the dates, and I credited it because it was used, and if anyone wants to check, it can be verified. I changed it from a footnote to a proper reference though. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's all for the moment. Bencherlite^Talk 13:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have carried out all your suggestions. Thankyou for your review. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well done, have a Blue Peter badge (=support for any non-UK viewers). Bencherlite^Talk 07:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Heh, is it a gold one? Or just a regular blue one? :) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - It's invisible, so I can't see the colour. Bencherlite ^Talk 08:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        But how do I get into Alton Towers for free? The gate guy won't be able to see it! (Heh, better stop this nonsense now, before it takes over the nomination!) Thanks again. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I renamed the Further Reading section to External Links, and added a URL for the news article that didn't have one. I hope you don't mind :| Gary King (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nope, that's okay. Thanks. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I've done a bit of copyediting, and corrected a minor error, but otherwise seems to meet the criteria for featured lists. Good luck! — Tivedshambo _(t/c) 22:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- Be aware, Tony's going to get you for overlinking of dates...!
  - I thought he'd unlinked the dates.. I'll redo them. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You need 2 cites for the start date?
  - I moved the radio show to another place to reference something else. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe you should constrain the "still airs" to the UK? Or does it air somewhere else? I dunno....
  - Done. As far as I know, it's only on in the UK. I checked out the websites of all the foreign BBC channels at {{BBC Television}}, and none have it listed in their programming.
- Is Wimbledon the only time it gets moved from BBC1?
  - I'm trying to recall whether it was moved during World Cups, Euro 96, 2000, 2004, and Olympics, but it's too far in the past. Since they're summer competitions, and Blue Peter doesn't air in the summer, I doubt it. It might get shifted to BBC2 when News 24 interrupts normal programming with breaking news, but again, I don't remember. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "There have been thirty-two presenters of Blue Peter;[7] that figure is expected" - semi colon separating these sentences?
  - Done. Replaced with full stop. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "They presented for eight years, nine months and eight days, and three years, two months and twenty-three days respectively." - this reads too pedestrian for me. Plus it's trivia. Can you synopsise it better?
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "BBC Archives" - the archives are capitalised. So, is it a proper noun? Is it worth an article of its own?
  - It is a proper noun, and a link does exist at The BBC Archives, but it a dab to a page that doesn't exist. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "aired on Five on 1 " - maybe worth explaining that Five is a channel?
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "was fired in 1985 after being exposed as a homosexual," - be careful here - BLP issues, you need to ensure this is 100% correct and citeable... "and video emerged of him dancing with male strippers." - I've danced with all sorts but not sure the logical conclusion works for me. You know what I'm saying?
  - Sundin died in 1989, so perhaps the BLP concerns are not as strong as they might be... Bencherlite^Talk 13:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yeah. BLP doesn't apply to dead people. And the statements are referenced to a newspaper article. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "...was arrested in 2002 and 2008 following numerous allegations relating to rape and assault." -again, be careful. I think you're ok with what you've said but BLP may suggest you've presented one sordid side of a story without due attention to the (potentially/probably) innocent side.
  - I dunno. I said "allegations", not that he actually did rape or assault anyone. Again, the statements are referenced from newspapers -- the Grauniad and the Times. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I fancy that ref's should be centrally aligned.
  - Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keating's caption = fragment -> lose the full stop.
  - Fixed. Bencherlite ^Talk 13:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Trace vs Turner -> 1958–1967 vs 1992–94. Be consistent with year representation.
  - Fixed. Bencherlite ^Talk 13:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorting the table by # doesn't work.
  - Duplicated sorting by start date, really, so I've made that column unsortable. Bencherlite ^Talk 13:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 26 - what does Time and Date Aksjeselskap mean?
  - Aksjeselskap is the Dutch equivalent of Ltd, I think. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- One external link uses the {{cite web}} template but none of the others do. Pourquoi?

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- - Done It was carried over from when the ELs were titled Further reading, and the newspaper article was not linked. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

***Thanks for your review, I will finally get around to addressing your comments tomorrow night (so Sunday morning for you). Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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