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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:46, 14 August 2008 [1].

List of Assyrian kings

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Renominating the List of Assyrian kings, as all comments had been addressed. Historicpastime (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

previous FLC (07:14, 11 August 2008)

Comments

Nice way to win friends and influence people there.. Maybe I should just oppose straight away because there is still some work to do. But no:

Er closing out a nomination while replies to one's own comments are still waiting for response, then saying the nominator wasn't addressing everything, isn't exactly going to make people very happy.
I said the list had no support. Am I wrong? Can you show me the support please? And interesting what happens when you make a point, your previous supporter has become an opposer because of the way you insulted the community. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Empty support in response to support votes/empty oppose for crossing out support votes - I'm not really going to give it much attention.
But saying a list had no support at all is really a bit demeaning, as well as untrue. Historicpastime (talk) 21:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Provide context by explaining where Mesopotamia is.
 Done
  • "ancient King List from Assyria, an ancient kingdom" is a bit repetitive
 Done reworded
  • "regnal"?
I'm not sure where you mean. Corrected a misspelled "reignal" in the article.
  • "These regnal lengths accord well with other king lists" -- excuse my ignorance, but what does "accord well with" mean?
 Doing... I'll reword it, but can't come up with a rewording right now.
  • "damage to the tablets" What tablets? These haven't been mentioned yet
 Done clarified
  • "he King List then has an unbroken chain of regnal lengths beginning with Enlil-nasir II (ca. 1420–1415 BC (short))." Can we say why?
 Done rephrased.
  • ==The Assyrian King List== section could be moved to the Lede
 Done I'm not very happy with this, because this is a specific document and really should have it's own subsection, but moving the Early Period stuff out of the intro made it too short.
  • In the Early Period section, why are some names not wikilinked, and some are? They should all be redlinks, or not linked at all (except for those with articles, of course)
 Done all linked. I wasn't sure about this, because I've seen critique elsewhere about having too many red links.
  • I'd like to see some introductory text to the Early Period and Old Assyrian period, as there is with Middle Assyrian period and Neo-Assyrian period
 Done moved that material from the intro
  • Which are the references for the Old Assyrian Period?
 Done added - they are general to the whole list and were included elsewhere.
  • I think the references lend themselves to being Harvard styled. But that's just me.
Would they fit in the table?

Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. Historicpastime (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • "The list of Assyrian kings is compiled from the Assyrian King List," reads poorly, see criteria 1 and 2 - prose and engaging lead. Try not to start with "The list of...", why not just explain what the "Assyrian King List" (capitalised version) is instead.
 Doing... I'm still trying to get the page name, the Assyrian King List and a definition of Assyria into a smooth introduction.
    • "from the Assyrian King List, an ancient kingdom in northern " are you saying the List is an ancient kingdom? Reads strangely.
 Doing... also working on it
    • "information added from recent archaeological findings" such as? Is this expanded upon in the list? I couldn't see where.
Three kings in the old period and the very last kings are not on the King List, and are noted in the comments.
    • "that appear to have been based on now lost limmu lists " this is odd - how do they "appear to have been based" on lost lists?
That's how they kept calenders in the early years; I'm not sure if going into limmu lists in this article would be a digression, since it's linked.
    • "officials " - which officials?
ditto
    • Big red link in the first para of the lead should be dealt with.
 Done forgot to check it last night when I added it.
    • "with the archaeological record" what's this?
linked the term
    • Why isn't this article "Assyrian King List" like the Sumerian one? At least that article doesn't stumble over the odd "List is a list" issues that this one does.
Because this list is a compilation that goes beyond just the Assyrian King List. The flip side of this has also been brought up on the SKL talk page, which is strictly a King List.
    • "other than a few recorded contacts with other kingdoms." is this referenced anywhere?
I'm not sure, but what few there are are noted on this list.
    • So many red links in the three early lists, and odd, stand-alone quotes which have no context or explanation "altogether 17 kings, tent dwellers", ""altogether 10 kings whose fathers are (known)." - needs more work.
a) Should there be stub articles for all the links?
b) The quotes come directly from the king lists and are open to interpretation. The sources simply quote them as they are. Anyone with knowledge of this period for instance would probably interpret "kings who lived in tents" as reflecting a perceived nomadic past, but for me to elaborate this phrase in this way would be original research.
    • Why is ref 6 on a new line?
That's were where the column ends. I sized them to line up with the tables.
    • Why force the longer table to be 600px wide? Unnecessarily compresses the notes column.
This prevents formatting problems with the images on smaller screens.
    • "Old Assyrian Period" or "Old Assyrian period"?
"Period" is lower case. Some of the older literature might capitalize it.
    • "the tablets " - one and only mention. Needs expansion.
 Doing... I'll break "The Sumerian King List" back into a sub-section and expand on the tablets there
    • "prevents us from calculating " this is not an academic paper, it's an encyclopedic article so it should say something like "prevents the calculation of.."
 Done
    • "standard King List" what's the non-standard King List?
 Doing... There exists a fragment of an "alternative" version. I'll elaborate in the King List section.
    • "to the point where it ends" be more specific. Of course it has a chain until the point where it ends. Presumably you mean to the last entry in the list?
 Done rephrased
    • "standard King Lists" there seems to be some confusion in the prose as to whether there's one list, more than one list and whether those list(s) are standard or non-standard.
 Done It should be singular. There are 3 extant versions of the King List which vary slightly from each other.
    • "Seven usurpers: " explain this.
The quote from the King List describes usurpers. I could change the heading to "Period of anarchy" or something, but I'm not sure how else to explain it.
    • "ended up starting the succeeding dynasty" not great English.
 Done reworded
    • Plenty more red links in this table. See criteria 6, ... it has a minimal proportion of red links...
    • "Middle Assyrian period" or "Middle Assyrian Period"?
period is lower case
    • "reignal " or "regnal"?
 Done corrected misspelling
    • "although less secure " what does this mean to a layman?
 Doing... It precedes the furthest reaches of Ptolemy's astronomical charts, from which modern Assyriologists can extrapolate exact dates for historical events. I'll have to look up the exact terminology and dates.
    • Avoid the use of small text in the table.
 Done removed
 Done delinked 2nd chronology in Middle Assyrian period.
    • "Neo-Assyrian period" or "Neo-Assyrian Period"?
lower case
    • Limmu is overlinked.
 Done delinked 2nd limmu in Neo-Assyrian period
    • "reigns thereafter down to " reigns down to? Odd turn of phrase, why not "until"?
 Done fixed
    • Page ranges in the references need to use en-dash per WP:DASH, see criterion 5 - style.
 Done
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