Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Joel Turner discography

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 15:48, 17 September 2008 [1].

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Joel Turner discography

Self-nomination. I am the sole editor (except four minor edits) and have created the list in a month. I believe it meets all attributes of the featured list criteria and I'm willing to address all concerns for support. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 10:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from S_RX

• Comments
  • This is a discography of Joel Turner, an Australian, multi-platinum hip-hop singer and beatboxer. - horrible way to begin the lead, this is more than often avoided for FLC, it should not begin "This is a ______ of _____" It should simply say "Joel Turner is an Australian multi-platinum...."

I agree and have made the necessary changes. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • As of September 2008, Joel Turner has released two studio albums, one video album and six singles. He has also released numerous music videos, and collaborated with various other musical artists. - no need to link "As of September 2008" nor is there a reason to say "As of.." Because these two sentences are so related, they should be linked somehow, like "singles, in addition to numerous music videos...etc."

I agree and have made the necessary changes. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • Turner came to prominence after auditioning in the first season of Australian Idol in 2003. - this is the only prose that talks about his prominence, is there any other reason how he rose to prominence?

Yes, strangely enough this is the only reason he rose to prominence. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • His debut album, Joel Turner and the Modern Day Poets, was released in 2004 in collaboration with hip-hop group, the Modern Day Poets. - How about "His debut album, Joel Turner and the Modern Day poets, was released as a collaboration in 2004 with .....etc."

I agree and have made the necessary changes. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • The release was a commercial success with platinum certification by the ARIA and produced four top thirty singles, including number-one single, "These Kids".[2][3] - four some reason, I find the comma after "single" is unnecessary.

I agree and have removed the comma. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • He embarked on an extensive national tour whilst making various television appearances. - why is this relevant to the list?

It is not relevant, I have removed the sentence. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • He released a non-album single, "All Night Long" in 2007, which remains his lowest charting single. - and how did it chart (i.e. Number 50?)

It charted at #38; I have made the necessary changes. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • The album failed to chart, yet it produced top forty single, "City of Dreams".[6] - "top forty single" is getting repetitive and very broad, you should really say the exact charting position.

It charted at #38; I have replaced "top forty single" to "which charted at #38". Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • Turner is currently working on his third album, whilst making occasional television appearances. - why is the TV appearances relevant?

It is not relevant, I have removed "whilst making occasional television appearances". Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • These paragraphs to the lead are very short and should be combined to about two of them.

I agree and have merged the paragraphs. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • Throughout this article, a dash ("—") in the Charts cell indicates that the selected release did not chart. - now there is no problem in using this as a new format, but you should follow the other format of discographys, where they place a similar note under each table.

I agree and have made the necessary changes. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• • The format of the tables is also non-complient with the regular format, see other lists like Lostprophets discography (not an FL, but follows the format of other FLs) to see the format.

I agree and have made the necessary changes. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• For now I must oppose.--S_RX 01:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for you comments and !vote, I hope I have addressed your concerns and would like to achieve your support. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks way better, but I still feel there needs to be more about himself and his career in the prose. Also, did his albums and singles only chart on the AUS charts? If not, all the major charts should be added.--S_RX 18:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I will try to expand the lead and prose in ten to twelve house, but there is not much more about himself and his career. Yes, his albums and singles only charted on the AUS charts; just a "national artist". Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• Weak support - after the many fixes it looks more better and meets the FL criteria, but I dont fully support it due to the fact that it should have been peer reviewed before being brought here, and due to the many comments that were needed to be fixed, but a support is a support :)--S_RX 20:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you SRX. When I edit other discographies, I will make sure I use this format and peer review them beforehand. Your comments have been very helpful. Thanks again! Hpfan9374 (talk) 21:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for your comments, Ealdgyth. Its a very handy tool. Hpfan9374 (talk) 21:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• There are several codes for you copy and paste at Joel Turner discography, edit this page to see them. ↓

• DVDs → Video albums
• "—" denotes releases that did not chart. → (?) all did charts
• Discogs is not a reliable source

Cannibaloki 06:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, I have made necessary edits, yet I have chosen not to use the codes, as the previous format has received support for featured-list status by User:SRX. Hpfan9374 (talk) 08:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments The grammar in the lead is a bit clumsy, for example:

numerous music videos - clearly there are six videos

Indeed, I have changed "in addition to numerous music videos" to in "addition to six music videos"

including number-one single - including a number one single

Changed. Thanks.

when was second album released - released in 2005

I have included the release year of the second album, in the sentence.

yet it produced single - yet it produced a single

Changed. Thanks.

In the Singles Table replace non-album single with single-only release. Dan arndt (talk) 08:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I have made all the necessary edits. Thank you very much for your comments Dan arndt, you are improving both the article and my knowledge.

Additional Comments

• In the article on Joel Turner it states that "These Kids" achieved double platinum status (in the article on the single it states that it achieved close to triple platinum) - could this not be referenced & included in the Singles Table

The statement in the article on Joel Turner is incorrect. The single has been certified platinum status. I have referenced this and added this statement to the singles table.

Did any of the other singles released by Joel Turner achieve any significant certification?

No, no other singles release by Joel Turner has achieved any significant certification.

A number of references indicate that the respective albums and singles charted on the AIR independent charts - could these not also be included on the tables.

I am trying but I cannot seem to find any peak positions, they are mere chart listings. I have tried [here]; yet as per Wikipedia's Manual of Style guideline, Wikipedia:Record charts; "component charts should not be used in the tables, unless the song fails to enter the main chart". And as most (all except one) releases entered the main charts, thus I don't believe the AIR independent charts should be included within the discography.

Were any of the albums/singles ever released overseas or were they only AUS releases?

No, none of his albums/singles were ever released overseas.

Dan arndt (talk) 09:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much comments again. The only problem is with the AIR independent charts. Hpfan9374 (talk) 10:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Image in Infobox - could you provide a caption indicating where the phto was taken and the date.

Dan arndt (talk) 04:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Have created a caption in the infobox, "Joel Turner performing at South Bank Parklands in Brisbane on December 9, 2007.".

• Support with two comments:

• It is mentioned that Turner came to prominence following an audition for Australian Idol, yet he never made the show. Perhaps it would be good to make mention of this, and the fact that he performed at the Grand Final as the "best of the unforgettables"?

The fact that Turner came to prominence following an audition for Australian Idol is stated in the lead "Turner came to prominence after auditioning in the first season of Australian Idol in 2003." The fact that Turner performed at the Grand Final is also stated in the lead "to coincide with his performance at the finale of the second season of Australian Idol."

• It seems odd to me that mention is made of his lowest charting single. While several that charted higher are not mentioned. I'm not sure anything really has to change with this statement, it just jumped out at me.

Turner's lowest charting single was only mentioned as it was released as an independent single and thus was not included on any albums. Higher charting singles, "These Kids" and "City of Dreams" are mentioned.

Anyway, good work. Resolute 02:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for your support and comments. Hpfan9374 (talk) 05:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• Refs 2, 3, 5 and 6 need to have their dates sorted out so they're not in ISO format for the reader. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for your comments, The Rambling Man. I have edited refs 2, 3, 5 and 6 and they are now in ISO format. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 09:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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