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International Dublin Literary Award

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

A while since I've delved into literary awards but here's one that was featured at WP:ITN recently. It wasn't far off so I've done the spit-and-polish job. It's completely different to any other existing nomination so I've been bold enough to nominate it knowing that I can handle simultaneous nominations. Thanks to one and all for any effort involved in reviewing the list, all comments will be addressed as soon as possible. Cheers all. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from N Oneemuss

Excellent work from a very experienced editor. All of my commments are minor. N Oneemuss (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Shouldn't the title be the official name (i.e. with DUBLIN in capital letters)? I had a look at MOS:ALLCAPS and I couldn't see anything specific on not using capital letters in official names, but I might be wrong there.

  I think you might be right, the issue (for me) is that it is often not capitalised in reliable sources. It's something I'm more than happy to do, and if there's enough consensus during the FLC I'll do it then. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  I'll leave this one up for other reviewers to comment on. N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 09:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• Is "City of Dublin" a proper noun? If not, decapitalise "Dublin". Also, be consistent about whether you link it (it's linked in the infobox but not the body).

  The official website says it's "sponsored by Dublin City Council" so I've changed it to that. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I don't think Euro needs to be linked; certainly not in an article about an award in Ireland, which uses the euro.

  Some of our less knowledgeable editors may not know or understand what the Euro symbol means, so I think I'll leave this one. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Shouldn't the translator of the most recent winner be mentioned in the lead and the infobox (and the navbox at the bottom)?

  Mentioned in the "History" section now, and I guess not in the navbox because no article for Hahn exists. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I appreciate that there might be no information about this, but it would be nice to add information about how the public libraries and countries are chosen (there's a little in Source 3 about how they seek out countries that haven't nominated books before).

  I will see what I can do. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  The website for the official prize says that libraries can apply to be considered, so I've added that. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• Generally, I think the lead could do with a little expansion. For example, you could add a bit about the history (e.g. the start date, or former names), or mention the first winner.

  I'll see what's possible. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  Added that. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• Why is public library linked in the body but not the lead?

  Linked both places. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• "year following" sounds awkward, maybe swap the words?

  Okay, done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Link The Irish Times, and perhaps productivity.

  First done, second I think is sufficiently common to leave unlinked. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I think "calendar year" can be replaced with "year".

  That's the terminology used in the official website so I'm reluctant to change it. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I think that almost all readers will automatically assume that it's talking about calendar years if it says "year". What else could it mean? N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 17:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• It could mean any year-length span rather than 1 January to 31 December. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Shouldn't the former name be in bold?

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Are the quotation marks needed? N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 17:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Removed. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Does IMPAC stand for something?

  Don't think so, just the name of the former sponsors. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• What I mean is: does IMPAC stand for something in the company's name (because if it does, I think it should be spelled out)? N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 17:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I know what you mean. I think it's just the name of the sponsor. IMPAC. If that's what it's known by per RS and COMMONNAME etc, that's how it should appear. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Put a comma after "president of IMPAC".

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I might be wrong, but the capitalisation of Award looks a bit weird to me.

  Yup, done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Maybe mention who Michelle Pauli is (she's a journalist).

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• You can call Dublin City Council "the council" after the first mention.

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Would it be possible to make the double-dagger symbol into a clickable note (if this is a lot of work, then don't bother)?

  Don't know, it might be possible to embed it within {{abbr}}.... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  I've had some experiments here, nothing seems to match your "clickable note" request, can you be more specific or code it yourself if you have some particular ideas? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

  I'm afraid coding isn't really my strong point. How about moving the note from below the table to above it? N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 09:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• The title for the 2002 winner is very confusing; to be honest, I'm not sure the alternative name is needed, but the actual name should absolutely not be given twice in two lines. Also, I'd write "aka" with capital letters.

  Just going for simple Atomised which appears in the RS. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Just out of interest, why are some authors and titles redlinked while others lack links?

  Non-winning titles now delinked, non-winning authors linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• Some of the translations say "from the original"; I think they should all say "from" for consistency.

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I don't think the languages should be linked in the bottom table (they aren't in the main one); certainly English language shouldn't be.

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• The link to the official website should probably be this [2] (the current one also works, but it uses the old name).

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I found this list very interesting and will happily support once these are addressed. N Oneemuss (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi N Oneemuss, I've responded inline to each of the comments, mostly I've tweaked per your suggestions, some I've yet to do and a couple I have followed up on. Thanks for your review, I'll back to you when I've dealt with the outstanding issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I've struck through comments that have been addressed. N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 17:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

N Oneemuss I've replied further. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

All comments but one have been addressed, so I support. N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 09:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

• "The most recent winner of the award is José Eduardo Agualusa for A General Theory of Oblivion." This will become out of date. Below you add "As of 2017"

  As of 2017 is there now. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• "the work must have been published in its original language in the same calendar year." This is not what the source says, which is that a 2018 nomination must have been published in its original language between 2012 and 2016, and translated in 2016.

  Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• "This has been subject to criticism" I took "This" to mean the rules on translation, but the source appears to refer to the two year delay in general.

  Tweaked. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• The criticism that titles are already well known seems a bit odd, as if I understand correctly the point of the delay is that books should have been published long enough ago for library readers around the world to have formed a judgment on them. Is there a source to clarify?

  Not that I see. The point is that such awards are normally given to new works. Some of these books can be six years old. Hence the criticism. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• Looks fine otherwise. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

  Dudley Miles thanks, I've replied inline. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments – I could only find a couple of nits to pick here:

• Eligibility and procedure: "As of 2004, the former Chief Judge of a US Court of Appeals, Eugene R. Sullivan, is the non-voting chair." If Sullivan was the non-voting chair in 2017 (as is implied by the source's title), this should say "As of 2017" instead. If 2004 was the first year Sullivan had that role, perhaps that could be stated separately if you deem it necessary.

  Yep, check the edit history, this has been modified by a COI account a few times lately. Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

• I take it that IMPAC was the actual name of the company in question and not an abbreviation that would need spelling out? Giants2008 (Talk) 21:29, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

  I think that was already asked, IMPAC is a company name. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Source review – All of the references are to reliable sources, and spot-checks of refs 14, 16, and 18 revealed no problems. The only issues I see are with the formatting: refs 3, 9, and 12 all need publishers; the first and last are from the Irish Times, and ref 9 is from the International DUBLIN Library Award Office. Also, I see inconsistencies between Irish Times and The Irish Times in the ref publishers (multiple uses of each), and if I was being really picky, I'd suggest that the Battersby link be in ref 3 instead of ref 2 (not that I'm known for being really picky :-)) So, only a few minor things to clean up. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:29, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Addressed those issues Giants2008, thanks for your comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support – All of my concerns have been resolved and I think the list comfortably meets FL standards. Also, I consider the source review passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Promoting. --PresN 11:51, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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