Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Indianapolis Colts seasons/archive1
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted 01:41, 9 January 2008.
Support I created this list using two other featured lists as a models: Cleveland Browns seasons and New England Patriots seasons. Recently I've been adding a lot to it and I feel it meets the criteria. Yes I know there are red-links but those can be fixed later on, I've worked really hard just to get the Indianapolis's half of the seasons done. I can always make pages for the Baltimore half. Please feel free to make any suggestions for improvements, I would really appreciate your support. HoosierState 20:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeRight now it fails criterion one, it does not "bring together a group of existing articles related by well-defined entry criteria." Saying that something can be fixed after a list will become a WP:FL is oxymoronic. The point of FL is to bring a complete list that meets all the criteria now, not later on. If that was the case then every list would be featured with the condition that one day it will meet the criteria. Create each season article (notice that both examples you brought here, and Green Bay Packers seasons, which is a FLC below all have each season article created. Also, the page lacks good formatting. The table looks all messed up right now, and the formatting isnt consistent with other seasons lists. It seems also that the page is not stable as it is still undergoing change. The intro could easily be expanded, and I am sure there could be a photo in this list, like maybe a photo of Manning saying he was the main reason for their recent success. There needs to be more notes about the individual seasons. Basically this list needs a lot of work to be done before it is ready to be featured.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 21:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- No offense or anything but formatting wise it isn't really different than New England Patriots seasons or Cleveland Browns seasons. A picture could be added yes, I just didn't think it needed one since hardly any other FL seasons have pictures (exception Green Bay). Also I have been working out of my mind just to try and complete the Indianapolis half of the seasons. Lastly there really isn't a whole lot to talk about on each season. HoosierState 21:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- None taken :-) Right now though, the table is broken in three separate places and there are other formatting issues. I have made some changes to formatting to show you what I think would look better. I also feel that Chicago Bears seasons is a much better list to base future lists off of. My statement still stands about expanding the intro in line with the Bears and Packers seasons lists, it also seems the list isnt still terribly stable so its hard to base a decision off of a constantly changing list. Thats why we like stability of a list before it is brought here. I like the photo you added though. The notes about the individual seasons is of course subjective and is not a huge point, I just find it hard to believe that there isn't anything else that has happened during their seasons that is memorable, interesting, weird, etc that could be mentioned. And my main point still stands, only 27 of the teams 54 seasons have been created, including 4 championship season years that are missing articles. This is very important and my main reason for opposing right now.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 23:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- The changes look great! I didn't really think of those sort of changes. I myself am done changing things in the list (until another Colts game is in the books) so the list is going to stablize (I sound like a dork, haha). You just happened to look at the list right when I was adding the awards column. Right now I'm complete the seasons mode, I've made 4 Baltimore Colts season in about an hour and a half, and plan to work til late and up again early tomorrow so all of the seasons should be complete in a day or so (and they're not just stubs by the way ;-)). Please come back and reevaluate your vote once the list is complete. HoosierState 23:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Haha I will come back, and don't worry when I did the Packers season list I had to create about 65 season articles!!! Just try to have this stuff for your next FLC, then things will go a lot better. Good luck and feel free to ask any questions or if you need any help.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 00:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Haha I will come back, and don't worry when I did the Packers season list I had to create about 65 season articles!!! Just try to have this stuff for your next FLC, then things will go a lot better. Good luck and feel free to ask any questions or if you need any help.
- The changes look great! I didn't really think of those sort of changes. I myself am done changing things in the list (until another Colts game is in the books) so the list is going to stablize (I sound like a dork, haha). You just happened to look at the list right when I was adding the awards column. Right now I'm complete the seasons mode, I've made 4 Baltimore Colts season in about an hour and a half, and plan to work til late and up again early tomorrow so all of the seasons should be complete in a day or so (and they're not just stubs by the way ;-)). Please come back and reevaluate your vote once the list is complete. HoosierState 23:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- None taken :-) Right now though, the table is broken in three separate places and there are other formatting issues. I have made some changes to formatting to show you what I think would look better. I also feel that Chicago Bears seasons is a much better list to base future lists off of. My statement still stands about expanding the intro in line with the Bears and Packers seasons lists, it also seems the list isnt still terribly stable so its hard to base a decision off of a constantly changing list. Thats why we like stability of a list before it is brought here. I like the photo you added though. The notes about the individual seasons is of course subjective and is not a huge point, I just find it hard to believe that there isn't anything else that has happened during their seasons that is memorable, interesting, weird, etc that could be mentioned. And my main point still stands, only 27 of the teams 54 seasons have been created, including 4 championship season years that are missing articles. This is very important and my main reason for opposing right now.
- No offense or anything but formatting wise it isn't really different than New England Patriots seasons or Cleveland Browns seasons. A picture could be added yes, I just didn't think it needed one since hardly any other FL seasons have pictures (exception Green Bay). Also I have been working out of my mind just to try and complete the Indianapolis half of the seasons. Lastly there really isn't a whole lot to talk about on each season. HoosierState 21:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I got bored so I created the rest of the articles using your prior seasons as a template. You would still need to add the regular season schedule/results, but I added everything else. So now that all of my concerns have been addressed, I am glad to support, good work.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 11:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks so much for your work, I kind of stalled over the New Years holiday. I will complete the seasons ASAP. Thanks for your support/help as well. HoosierState 21:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NP, I was too awake last night to go to sleep, and I was bored when I got home. That combo meant I needed to kill some time on the Wiki :-) so I figured I would help you out a bit. Good luck in the nom.
Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 21:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] - Everything is complete, every season (with results) and as far as I'm concerned the table is as good as it gets. HoosierState 07:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NP, I was too awake last night to go to sleep, and I was bored when I got home. That combo meant I needed to kill some time on the Wiki :-) so I figured I would help you out a bit. Good luck in the nom.
- Support Looks great to me! Good work, HoosierState! -- JTHolla! 16:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Like I said for Green Bay Packers season this looks comparable to other FL NFL seasons. Like the color too, great work Hoosier. CameronCrazie56 (talk) 00:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great job, HoosierState! That must have taken a lot of time creating all of those tables for every article. The only thing missing is in-line citations. I know that's hard for this, but the general refs at the bottom technically isn't enough. Still great! Reywas92Talk 03:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I was going to reference some stuff (specifically the line Much of this recent success is attributed to the trio of Bill Polian, Tony Dungy, and Peyton Manning.) but they kept ending up in the Notes section and I didn't want that. So I just left them unmarked. If there is way to fix that I will be glad to reference everything. P.S. yes it was very time consuming, I worked for about 5 days total on that :P. HoosierState 03:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.