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Hugo Award for Best Fancast

Featured list candidates/Hugo Award for Best Fancast/archive1

Nominator(s): Pres N 20:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Back again with another scifi/fantasy award list, this time a blast from the past! Back in 2010/2011, I got all 15 Hugo Award lists featured and stuck in a featured topic. Beginning in 2012, though, the Hugo Awards added another category- that of Best Fancast, for podcasts ("non-professional audio or video periodicals") as a separate thing from fanzines. Other than a peer review to get it in the FT, the list has just been waiting since to get enough items to be nominated- and here it is! It's a lot shorter than the other Hugo lists, but Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story got featured when it only had three years of nominations as well and looked pretty similar to this, so it should be fine. The list should be up to the standard of its 15 sibling lists- thanks for reviewing! --Pres N 20:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and source review (ProtoDrake)

I've looked through the prose and structure, and after consideration, I Support this article's inclusion as an FL. As to the sources, there seems nothing wrong here, so that's a Pass. One minor note: I might try archiving the few unarchived references, unless they won't archive properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProtoDrake (talk • contribs) 7:25, 11 December 2014‎ (UTC)

Review by Tezero

In the middle of some writing now, but I'll try to begin reviewing by the end of the day. At first glance, the intro looks exceptionally lengthy for such a short list - is there any reason it's gotten this way? Tezero (talk) 20:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The lead is similar between this and the other 15 lists, like Hugo Award for Best Novel- I don't shorten it for shorter lists. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The "World Science Fiction Society" is linked on the main Hugo Award page - why not here?

There isn't an article for WSFS- the link at Hugo Award is to Worldcon, which is linked here when I mention the Worldcon convention itself.

"generally available" - ambiguous; does this mean available to a variety of regions (if so, which ones?), to the general public (if so, as opposed to what?), usually available (based on time?), ...?

I swear that phrase used to be in the rules for that category, but it's not there now. Removed. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are we supposed to know going in what a "fancast" is? It's not linked, and this list doesn't explicitly define it. What does "non-professional" mean?

Mentioned that it's "fan-podcast, and put in the WSFS definition of "non-professional" --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The Hugo Award for Best Fancast was first proposed as a category after the 2011 awards. It then appeared as a temporary category at the 2012 awards. Temporary awards are not required to be repeated in following years." - kind of choppy; I suggest merging the second sentence into the first or third, or even all three together somehow

Done. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Too much detail about SF Squeezecast (do we need all of its authors? Heck, any?) in the intro

Cut to "a team of five people". --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is SF Squeezecast one of the nine, or does it count twice?

It is, clarified. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is SF Squeezecast marked with an asterisk in the table? Alternately, why isn't SF Signal Podcast? The legend includes an asterisk in the mark for "Winners".

Added the missing asterisk. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can an award really be "currently held by" anyone? SF Signal Podcast was just the most recent winner.

Turns out there's a non-listed parameter in Infibox Award to rename that field- now "Most recent winner" --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, why is it a person rather than his work who's listed as having won the most recent award?

Flipped to be the fancast, with the runner/creator in parenthesis after. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Might be worth mentioning on what date the award is typically assigned. The 2014 one could've come hastily right at the beginning of the year, or just a few weeks ago. What date it was would signal how deliberate and in-depth the selection process was.

The third paragraph says so already- nominations January-March, voting on final ballot April-July, award given near the start of September. --Pres N 00:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tezero (talk) 23:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Tezero: Responded inline. --Pres N 08:03, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine to me, then. Support. Tezero (talk) 08:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I would feel happier if the glowing quotes in the opening paragraph are attributed.
"was once officially known as the Science Fiction Achievement Award." once, as in just for one ceremony, or really "previously known as"?
"is awarded to any non-professional audio" that can't be right, surely it's awarded to the best example of such?
Last sentence of para 2 has "awards" three times... repetitive.

Otherwise good stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: all four done. --Pres N 21:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (Cptnono)

This is an informative list with tons of good stuff and style. I second the idea that the lead seems long for the length of the list. Hopefully that will be fixed with time and more awards.

WP:FLCR 5b mentions media. Is there anything that could be added to this list? A picture of the award or a winner. Audio from a winner?
Is the list of references bulky enough to require 3 columns? This could be automatic and appropriate with 30em called for in the template.
I'm not sure if portmanteau needs to be wikilinked. Maybe a few word explanation would be better. WP:OVERLINK doesn't say "yes" or "no" on this so not a major issue.

Cptnono (talk) 23:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and source review (Caponer)

Comments. I find that this list meets the majority of criteria for inclusion as a Featured List. The informational template is concise, and the introductory paragraphs are also informative with internally-cited references that check out. An internal citation should be added to the last sentence in the lede: "SF Signal Podcast, run by Patrick Hester, won the 2014 award." The final sentence in the second paragraph of the lede could also use an internal citation. Great job on this nominated list! -- Caponer (talk) 01:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Review from Matthewrbowker

Support Concise, informative list. I am a little concerned about MOS:ACCESS-related stuff with the table, but I don't have the proper equipment to test it. Maybe add some row and column heading code? Also, the leade is a little long but that's not a concern because of the fact that the list will "grow into" the size of the leade. ~ Matthewrbowker ^{Give me a ring!} 22:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. - SchroCat (talk) 14:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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