Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Chief Justice of the Common Pleas

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 18:59, 15 November 2008 [1].

Chief Justice of the Common Pleas

Seems to pass all the FL criterion. Prose is fine, references are good and list is complete and bluelinked. I used List of Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States as a template for the format on the advice of User:Choess, who should probably get a co-credit if this goes through with the amount of cleaning up he did of this article and the articles of the Chief Justices themselves. Ironholds (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question: are there any more pictures of Chief Justices available to use? The top one is good, but it would be nice to have some going down the table. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A few more, yes; are you thinking some kind of system like the List of Nobel Laureates in Literature? I'd considered it, but there (unfortunately) aren't enough to make it look halfway decent. I could probably justify nicking them from the National Portrait Gallery under the "we can't get anything anywhere else you scat-munching bitches" rationale (as you can see I'm not a fan of the NPG). Ironholds (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Me neither actually :-) I was actually thinking along the lines of this, meaning you only need a few images. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, pretty! Image, funfact, Image, funfact.... Ironholds (talk) 18:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
More questions/comments: Why do some of the CJs have no corresponding number? Indeed, why are they numbered at all? Where was the table sourced from - there's not a single citation! You've also given exact dates for date of birth/death – why not for the terms too? Born/died may be better in two columns as well. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can see a source in the General Bibiliography for the list; it was put it there or reference it on every single entry. Some of the CJ's aren't numbered because they are repeat services; a justice who served as say, number 32, left and then came back shouldn't really be numbered as number 34. In many cases I don't have exact dates for the service period, I'll try to look that up. Ironholds (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest then that numbers are removed – unless they are very important? If the source is in the bibliography, it needs to be moved to the references section, and cited to. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough on the first point. You want me to reference the article on every entry?Ironholds (talk) 18:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, is that a problem? If it's the same thing sourcing everything, just put a reference at the top or something. – How do you turn this on (talk) 18:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm just worried that the single list reference at the bottom is going to look rather blue, as it were. Ironholds (talk) 18:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It'll be fine. If not, it can always be reverted. – How do you turn this on (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another point: links only need linking once, especially in the table. For example, Lord Keeper of the Great Seal and Chief Justice of the King's Bench are linked at least once in the table, and it's not necessary. There are others too. – How do you turn this on (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alrighty, done that. I'll get on with the images tomorrow if I have time. Ironholds (talk) 20:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've done the images, although there aren't really enough in my opinion; any other points? Ironholds (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"The position of Chief Justice was not initially an appointment"-->Initially, the position of Chief Justice was not an appointment...
"One would become more senior and respected than his peers" How does one become more senior when they grow older at the same rate as everyone else?
"from then on~~wards~~" Comma after this phrase also.
"In 1875 the court was reduced to a division of the High Court of Justice, with Alexander Cockburn serving as the first Chief Justice."-->In 1875, the court was reduced to a division of the High Court of Justice; Alexander Cockburn served as the first Chief Justice.
"The court was dissolved as a body in 1880 when the functions" Comma after 1880.
"with John Coleridge serving as the first Chief Justice of a fully unified High Court" Make this phrase a separate sentence.
In the table, full date ranges should have spaced en dashes: "26 May 1814–1 November 1873"-->26 May 1814 – 1 November 1873".
Forgive my stupidity, but in the first inline citation, what does "ibid" stand for? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Normally it means a reference to a text previously mentioned; so "Mackay ibid 51", for example, would be "the same Mackay text previously mentioned, just on page 51"; it was a leftover from when I copied the reference over from the Court of Common Pleas article. Ironholds (talk) 15:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done all of Dabomb's concerns. Ironholds (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only full date ranges should have spaced en dashes, not anything else (26 May 1814 – 1 November 1873, but 1309–1326). Dabomb87 (talk) 22:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Woops, sorry! I'll doeth that now. Ironholds (talk) 06:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'm doing that. What about mixed ones? Where I have a complete date for the appointment but not for the removal, for example. Ironholds (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MOSDASH says: "Spacing: All disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items (the New York – Sydney flight; the New Zealand – South Africa grand final; July 3, 1888 – August 18, 1940, but July–August 1940)." So yes, the ones which have one complete date and the other is just a year should still have a space. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, ta. I'm almost done. Ironholds (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that seems to be done; if I've missed any, poke me. Any other points? Ironholds (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: Only image captions that are complete sentences should have full stops (periods) at the end. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alrighty, changed; any other bits? Ironholds (talk) 23:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from SatyrTN

Some copyediting is needed:

As such the Chief Justice was one of the highest judicial officials in England,

Add a comma after "such"

behind only the Lord High Chancellor and the Lord Chief Justice of the King's (or Queen's) Bench.Initially, the position of Chief Justice was not an appointment;

Space before "Initially", and the comma after "Initially" needs to go.

of the justices serving in the court, one would become more respected than his peers, and was therefore considered the "chief" justice. The position was formalised in 1272 with the raising of Sir Gilbert of Preston to Chief Justice, and from then on, it was considered a formally appointed role similar to the positions of Chief Justice of the King's Bench and Chief Baron of the Exchequer.

The comma after "and from then on" is unnecessary
There are two wikilinks - "Lord Chief Justice of the King's (or Queen's) Bench" and "Chief Justice of the King's Bench" - that go to the same place, and both are redirects. This is confusing and maybe even misleading.

The table should be sortable, with the last column unsorted. You will need to use {{sort}} for the dates.
Done all that, but after much previewing and fooling about I can't get the sorting right. Could someone help me out? Ironholds (talk) 10:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I Conditionally Support this nomination. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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