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Aurealis Award for best young-adult novel

Nominator(s): Salavat (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/Aurealis Award for best young-adult novel/archive1

Ok with a quick turn-around I bring to you the fourth Aurealis Award list, following in the style of 1, 2, and 3. Thanks in advance. Salavat (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Oppose~~. The leading section section is confusing and has other problems:

the presentation ceremony is held the following year Could an approximate (season, month) time, when it is typically held, be specified?
They dont mention any specific date for the ceremony. It has ranged from january to march. For me to state anything would be original research. Salavat (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This article lists all the short-list nominees and winners in the best young-adult novel category, as well as novels that have been highly commended Is "young-adult novel category" the same as "young-adult fiction novels" mentioned above or "young-adult speculative fiction" mentioned in the infobox?
The "young-adult novel category" part is the name of the award, it wouldnt make sense for me to call it anything else. I added the word of "speculative" to the second sentence, first paragraph to emphisize that the young adult award is for speculative fiction. The part in the infobox i have added the word "novel" too.
~~Can you clarify what "novels that have been highly commended" means? Why they are just commended and not included in the list of nominees or given an award?~~
Their is no formal explanation for why they have been commended. One could assume they are commended because the judges liked them but not enough to make them a finalist, but then that would be OR. They arent in the main list because they are not a finalist or a winner. Salavat (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The ceremony has grown from a small function of around 20 people to a two-day event attended by over 200 people. This sentence should be the last in the third paragraph, not the first. It would be logical if a discussion of the presentation ceremony were after a discussion of the award itself.
Moved both sentences about how the ceremony reception to the bottom of the third paragraph. Salavat (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You said below that there is only one ceremony for all awards. You also changed "award" to "awards" in the last two sentences. These two sentences, which are now about all awards (not about any specific award) should be moved to the second paragraph. The sentence about the ceremony should consequently be moved to the end of the first paragraph. Ruslik_Zero 14:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I made the changes myself. The new structure of the lead is more logical. Ruslik_Zero 14:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~It is not clear if a separate ceremony is held for each award or if they are presented at one event?~~
"The Aurealis Awards are presented annually", "the presentation ceremony is held the following year". It makes a suggestion that there is "a ceremony". Sounds clear to me. I cant see any way that would make it clearer. Salavat (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It has attracted the attention of publishers by setting down a benchmark in science fiction and fantasy. What does "It" refer to here: ceremony or award? It is probably the award as it is unlikely that the ceremony is "setting down a benchmark in science fiction and fantasy". (Change "It" to "Award").
Changed to "The awards have". Salavat (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ruslik_Zero 19:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the list has far too many redlinks on the central subject, the books in question, for my liking. Sandman888 (talk) 21:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Most have been dealt with now, a few more to go, should be done within the next few days. Salavat (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
per WP:ACCESS colour shouldn't be used as a stand-alone indicator. You will have to figure out another way of seperating winners from nominees.Sandman888 (talk) 08:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought that was the whole point of the "*" after the winning authors name. Salavat (talk) 09:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Right you are. I thought it was indicating joint winners. Will review in greater detail later today. Sandman888 (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay. Sandman888 (talk) 08:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Lead: could you expand it to say something about what the award means for sales, how prestigious it is, something along those lines.
  - I couldnt find anything more then the current information about publisher interest which is alreadu on the page. Salavat (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Images; there's not a lot. Some of the authors wd be nice. As well as some from the ceremony.
  - Added some images of the authors. A search on flickr returned some images of the Aurealis Awards but nothing more then shots on people. Salavat (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Check text on last image. Sandman888 (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Woops forgot the alt part. fixed now. Salavat (talk) 05:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Note that alt text is no longer part of the FL criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Oh i thought i heard about that, oh well its in there now anyways. Salavat (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- High commendations section cd use an introduction.
  - Introduction added. Salavat (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Sandman888 (talk) 15:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Dammit, the amount of times ive added Sean Williams into these lists you think i would of learnt. Thanks. Salavat (talk) 03:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - In the list of categories in the lead, I believe that "...horror, speculative young-adult fiction, with separate awards for novels and short fiction, collections, anthologies..." should be written as "...horror, speculative young-adult fiction—with separate awards for novels and short fiction—collections, anthologies...". Using a regular comma in the middle of sequential commas is confusing. Note that that's an em-dash (I think? The long one.) Either that or make it "...young-adult novels, young-adult short fiction, ...". --Pres N 13:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to the emdash. Does that look like its done the trick? Salavat (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support Yep, looks good to me. --Pres N 18:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"Westerfeld hold the" holds.
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"the long list of nominees is reduced to a short-list of finalists" interested as to why long list isn't hyphenated while short-list is.
- Fixed. Ive never considered that, strange. Salavat (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
" Entries with a blue background have won the award; those with a white background are the nominees on the short-list." this is mostly covered in the key, but perhaps the key could use a white square and "Nominees on the shortlist"?
- Added white box, add to hide an asterix inside the box to make them the same size though. Salavat (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps my browser (again) but Broderick's image is slightly narrower than all the others, any idea why that be?
- Well the image is only 193px itself, ive told it to go to 200px like the others but it seems to refuse to expand. I could scale them all done to 190px or if you have any ideas on how to make it conform? Salavat (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perhaps just use the classic thumb (without forcing) or upright on all of them? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Without forcing them makes them 220px wide, which doesnt fit. After doing some learning over at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial i couldnt figure anything out so i reduced them all to 190px. Salavat (talk) 17:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"with the most recent being in 2009" ugh, maybe "most recently in 2009."
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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