Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/A Perfect Circle discography

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 07:09, 25 September 2008 [1].

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A Perfect Circle discography

Wikiproject Tool nomination. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 17:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Reduce 13 to 10 peak pos.
  • Remove: UK; FIN; SWI; (please remember is not required, only a suggestion)
• Countries are out of order
• !style="width:2em;font-size:75%"| → ! style="width:3em;font-size:75%"|
• RIAA & CRIA → US & CAN
• no links for release dates;
• "—" denotes releases that did not chart. → "—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that country. (or something like)
  • inside the table!
• Singles:
  • !align="center" rowspan="2"| '''Year''' (?) → ! rowspan="2"| Year
  • !align="center" rowspan="2"| '''Title''' → ! rowspan="2" width="200"| Title
  • !align="center" colspan="4"| '''Chart positions''' → ! colspan="4"| Peak chart positions
  • !align="center" rowspan="2"| '''Album''' → ! rowspan="2"| Album
  • |align="center" valign="top"|— → | align="center"| —
• DVDs → Video albums;
  • Video information → Video details
  • Certifications
  • "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums"
  • "Weak and Powerless" (Tilling My Grave mix)
• Music videos
  • Same width of singles table;
  • Director (?) are missing names and references!
• External links
  • Perfect Circle A Perfect Cirlce (?)

Cannibaloki 19:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks so much for the detail in your review. That was quite helpful! (I hope it's okay I struck out what I completed. Revert me if not.) I opted to keep the chart positions, hopefully that's okay. Although they didn't chart so well, they did chart in those countries, so I believe it's worth a mention. For the Music videos section, it reads "same as singles table", what are you referring to? As for the director info, I completely forgot I'd not finished that. I'll be on it tomorrow! Last thing, about the external discog link... template seems to be borked? I did it manually. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 05:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so the only spot I could find the directors was on the details of aMotion on Discogs.com. Is that good? Jennavecia ^(Talk) 05:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I reversed part of the change you made here to narrow the column; it caused "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums" to appear on three lines at lower resolutions. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 11:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, no problem.

Support Looks good to me now. Cannibaloki 15:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Image:A Perfect Circle.jpg does not have a a fair use rationalle for this page. Also, after reading the page it is improperly liscensed, I don't believe that the image may be used on Wikipedia at all. It is liscensed as a screenshot from a music video and may only be used for identification and critical commentary on the music video in question. I don't believe it is a screenshot from a music video as the source is Amazon.com. I don't believe the rationalle that a copyrighted image may be used because the band is on hiatus and may break up. Please see WP:RAT. This image should DEFFINITLY be removed from this article, if not from Wikipedia completely. REZTER ^TALK ø 16:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
  • While I'm not going to become too histrionic, I would agree that the FU rationale for an existing group whose members are all alive is inadequate. Jennavacia, I'd advise you remove it from the list. Rezter, if you feel so strongly, I advise you tag it for deletion. The removal from Wikipedia of this image is beyond the remit of this FLC. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
    • I updated the license and added the rationale. I'd not uploaded the image and did not pay close attention when I looked over it. Sorry about that. Uhm... is it okay for me to leave it until the results of the IFD? Jennavecia ^(Talk) 21:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
      • For sure. Let it dwell - we'll see. I strongly encourage reviewers to examine the list, not the image. Job done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
        • IfD closed, image kept. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 17:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • Many of my comments would have been mentioned already, but I do have one thing to mention to give my support..
    • In the features for Video albums, it is unverified: should either be sourced or removed.

--S_RX 23:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• So, you just want me to put the DVD info on there? Cite the sleeve or back cover or whatever? I'll try to find someone that has it. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 01:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 17:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool.

• I Support this FLC. Looks well reffed, presented per standard, nice job. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments close, but not quite support...

• I'd merge the first two paras - the first single-sentence one doesn't really need to be out on its own.
• "Troy Van Leeuwen (Failure) " reads strangely unless you know Failure is a band - perhaps link or reword.
• "both of whom had been involved in the production in both albums" both both - reads awkwardly.
• Shouldn't the album titles in "Emotive was certified gold five weeks after its release, and aMotion a month " be italics?
• Is it worth mentioning the band's genre in the lead? Most links seem to imply Alt rock?
• What does (Contest Winner) mean after the music video Blue?
• Ref 18 isn't specific. And even using your instructions I don't seem able to get the desired result...
• Ref 1 has wikilinked accessdate, none of the other refs do.

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

• All issues have been addressed. - Yohhans ^talk 14:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

• If you're linking Primus etc, you should link Smashing Pumpkins and Marilyn Manson.
  • Good point. The reason these are unlinked is because the lead had been modified for prose and all these bands had been mentioned previously. We just forgot to relink things further below. I've fixed every instance I can find. - Yohhans ^talk 16:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
• And probably Tool.
  • Done. - Yohhans ^talk 16:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
• Still not keen on the indirect reference (ref 18) - no way this information could be derived from somewhere else?

Otherwise we're nearly there. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

• • I agree it is a poor way of doing things, but looking at other FL discographies, they either cite this website and don't give instructions, or they refer to the book that is published containing this information (which I do not have access to). I'll see if I can modify the POST so that it takes you directly to the information. - Yohhans ^talk 16:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Cool. It's a nuance of php search results that means a direct URL seems to be hard to find from time to time. Anything you can do to make the reference more direct (or find an alternative) will be much appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Well, I tried turning it into this: http://www.everyhit.com/searchsec.php?artist=first&artistcontent=a%20perfect%20circle&songtitle=first&titlecontent=&format=A&songpos=40&earliestmonth=01%2D01&earliestyear=1947&latestmonth=12%2D31&latestyear=2008&sortby=songdate, but to no avail. It keeps throwing a warning, and I have no idea what header information I'm missing. I'm not sure there is a direct way to get results from everHit.com. Aha! How about using acharts or Chart Log UK? Which source would you prefer? Downside of the latter is that you have to do a ctrl+f for "A Perfect Circle", but on the upside it shows the chart positions of the other two albums. - Yohhans ^talk 17:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
        • Not sure. I've seen Zobbel and acharts used - does WP:DISCOGS give advice either way on whether one is more RS than another? Either way it's better than a non-specific reference as long as it's RS. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
          • See response to Matthew. - Yohhans ^talk 01:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Is "brainchild" a specialist word? Does it need linking to brainchild maybe?
  • Specialist? I was under the assumption that it was a fairly commonplace word. It is just a more formal way of saying that Howerdel is the brains behind the operation. - Yohhans ^talk 01:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
    • You're probably right. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Glad you see it my way. *evil cackle* What? FLC is not the place for evil cackles? Well, in that case, I will leave this as, "I'm glad we agree." - Yohhans ^talk 16:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
• Some heading in the peak chart position link to articles for charts, such as ARIA Charts for AUS, but others just link to the country, such as AUT. Record chart has links to articles if you're not sure what they are
  • Good catch on this. The reason these are linked to the country is because no article exists for that chart on the English Wikipedia. Would you suggest linking to the proper subsection in the Record chart article, delinking the country altogether, or leave as is? For reference, if we follow the example of existing featured discographies, then the links would just point to the country. - Yohhans ^talk 01:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
    • I think Norway's album chart is VG-lista. You could pipelink to Record_chart#Sweden etc. I'll leave that for you to decide. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
      • I changed Norway and the Netherlands to their proper articles. The rest were piped to the Record chart article. - Yohhans ^talk 16:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
• Ref 9 "Billboard.com via Allmusic" may be achieved by the work= and publisher= fields of {{cite web}}
  • Will let Jenna address this as she did (virtually) all of the referencing for the article. - Yohhans ^talk 01:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't use cite templates unless I'm doing Harvard referencing. I removed the .com and italicized Billboard, as that's what using the template would have done, and it would be inappropriate to italicize a website. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 12:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Works for me. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
• Ref 18 -- Same concern as TRM. Can a better reference be found where the reader doesn't have to do the work? acharts say their information may be wrong, here, so I wouldn't advocate using them. http://www.zobbel.de/ looks like a bedroom project. I'd be happier if they said where/how they gather their information. ChartsPlus and Music Week may be better. There's also NME and Broadcast (magazine). Finally, there's the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums.
  • As far as I can tell, there's no way to obtain a link to charts via any of these options. Is Chart Stats an acceptable substitute? - Yohhans ^talk 01:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
    • That appears to be okay. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Changed it to the charstats site then. - Yohhans ^talk 16:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

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