Wikipedia:Featured article review/Lakitu/archive1

Lakitu

Review commentary

Messages left at A Link to the Past and Computer and video games. Sandy 02:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong, THIS is the last pre-manual for writing fiction character article left. One inline citation, images without sources, and the major issue, no information on its conception and creation. Judgesurreal777 02:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I don't think there is enough available source material to save this one, either. Pagra shtak 04:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think this is all there is to say on this character. The article was passed before inline citations were required, the images issue should be easily fixed, but the concept and creation info probably doesn't exist. — BrianSmithson 04:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Needs inline citations (1. c.). LuciferMorgan 18:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Please go through and place <fact> tags where you feel citations are necessary. The vast bulk of the article is sourced directly from the games, so no citations are needed for most of it. — BrianSmithson 22:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - I started to place fact tags, but realized there was a problem with weasle words: apparently, a bit of, things like that. I could place fact tags, but it might help to first review WP:AWW and WP:WTA, remove the weasly text, and then see what statements still need referencing. Sandy 21:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Cleaned up. (I should note that I am not trying to "save" this article. But I do think it should be the best it can possibly be.) — BrianSmithson 13:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article sorely lacks an out-of-universe perspective. Like Judgesurreal said, the concept and creation section is just empty space. Aside from the 'writing about fiction guideline', the article just isn't comprehensive without an inclusive outside view of the character. Kingston Jr. 07:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right that creation and development information would be nice, but that does not mean the article is written from an in-universe perspective. In fact, the entire reason I expanded the article in the first place was to make it completely out-of-universe (which it is). As I've said on the talk page, this article was an important step toward the creation of the WP:WAF guideline. Not that this should save it's FA status for it; just clarifying that there is little if any in-universe in this piece. — BrianSmithson 10:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Suggested FA criteria concerns are lack of citations and comprehensiveness. Joelito (talk) 15:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've said I'd be more than willing ot add citations where appropriate, but no one has said where they'd be appropriate. If a line says, "In Game X, Lakitu does this", there is no need for a citation, since it's part of the prose. As for comprehensiveness, Raul routinely promotes articles on fictional topics as long as they use the "best sources available". Again, no skin off my nose if this is demoted, but we should remove all the Pokemon articles too if this one gets the axe; none of them includes a "concept and creation" section either. — BrianSmithson 22:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am very curious about that fact myself. Judgesurreal777 00:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Citing Raul the FAC director doesn't hold much weight here, indeed he promotes articles like bags of Smarties. Additionally if anyone feels an article doesn't hold up to current FA standards (such as possibly Pokemon?) they can nominate it for FAR. LuciferMorgan 09:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A collection of primary sources isn't very impressive: this article violates Wikipedia's OR policy. And there is nothing listed for the concept and creation. If there aren't any secondary sources over Lakitu (sources outside of the game or game manuals), the article probably should not exist. If that's the case, Lakitu should simply be a footnote in some other "List of Mario characters" article. And no, I'm not picking on this article in particular; tens of thousands of articles under the scope of WP:CVG should not exist, including many of the articles I myself have created. EDIT: Unless proper secondary sources are cited (this does not include fansites such as mariomonsters.com), I will vote to remove this article's featured status. I would also recommend against violating WP:FUC #3. One or two images will suffice. --Tristam 07:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It's not too badly written, but it needs a run-through by a copy-editor. Things like "Rather than harming the players, however, Lakitu aids them by starting each race, alerting them when they complete laps or drive in the wrong direction, and by hooking them and moving them back to the track if they go off course." Put "However," first so that the reader knows the angle from the start? (Same for "For example,", etc.) The three items have "by", nothing, and "by", respectively. Little inconsistencies like this subtly add to the difficultly of reading what should be a plain-sailing text. Or ...
- "often employ Lakitu in some sort of referee or support capacity"—replace "some sort of" with simply "a"?

I'm sure these and other glitches can be fixed, since it's in Brian's capable hands. Tony 11:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]