Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wild Arms/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 01:09, 3 April 2007.

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Wild Arms

Self-nom. After much editing and a complete re-write at the beginning of March, the Wild Arms article is looking quite good. It was originally my intention to get the article to featured status by late April, which would signify the series' 10th anniversary in English. A popular set of games in its own right, Wild Arms has a small yet loyal fan base who have supported the series vigorously throughout the past decade. This article details the first title that launched a successive media franchise across the world, and has become one of Sony Computer Entertainment's flagship role-playing game series. Currently at GA, the page has also undergone a peer review with all suggestions noted and corrected, as well as receiving several additions added since. The article has nowhere to go but up; any suggestions for improvement are welcome! Nall 06:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Just a few things I'm noticing while skimming through...

• Second reference (the Everything2 one) - is Everything2 a reliable source? If it isn't, I don't think it would be too hard to source that fact.

I had seen Everything2 listed in other articles, and added it thinking it was appropriate. Upon review I found, nope, it's not! Thanks for the head-up. Nall 02:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• I'd like to see more internal links in the Story section, if there is anything that makes sense to link. Up to your discretion.

Added some blue paint to that wall of text. Nall 02:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Article still has some {{fact}} tags...

This particular fact was added and deleted quite a bit during editing. I was originally going to move it to the album page, but I clarified and sourced it here to avoid further conflicts. Nall 02:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Why did Electronic Gaming Monthly give it that score? You've got a ton of text describe the numerical score, but nothing about the review text. The CVG project might be able to help find this.
• Source with the IGN review, not the main IGN game page. Also add date and author.

Coulda sworn I did this earlier. Good catch. Nall 02:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Some of the years link to the "year in gaming" articles. I know there is some kind of standard for this type of linking. Someone else should know.

The CVG Project "Release date" section says thus:

When adding wikilinks to the year the game was released, consider linking to the video game article of that year. For example, use 2007 instead of simply 2007. By following Manual of Style guidelines, try to avoid the surprise, e.g. use "Scramble was released in 1981" rather than "Scramble was released in 1981". Where a full date is known, link to the year itself rather than the year in video gaming, so that user date preference formatting can function correctly. For example, use September 13 2006 rather than September 13 2006.

I'll see what I can do about the reception section, thanks for the heads up about the print material. I've searched all over for a Famitsu score, but haven't been able to turn up anything, but in the meantime I'll see about giving that section the once-over. Nall 00:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Adhering to this info, I made the appropriate changes, keeping single dates while changing the full ones.

• Is all that ref stuff needed for every in-game quote? Just cite the game once and then do all the quotes like Metal Gear Solid. --- RockMFR 23:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed up. Cleaned up about 1200kb of page size, too. Nall 02:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I noticed you made some changes to the article earlier, thanks for that. I'll look over the changes you suggested and report back soon. Hopefully I can dig up some info on the EGM score - If not, I'll make some accomodating changes to the section. I also meant to change that IGN link earlier, guess I just lost my edit when browsing other articles. The rest shouldn't be too hard, thanks. Nall 00:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - The reception section is severely lacking. For a Japano-RPG, I'd expect at least one Japanese review to be cited (generally Famitsu). And the Gamepro review you cite is absolutely worthless, you'll see it was uploaded in 2000, years after the original game was released. I assume this was a quick fire overview review for its budget re-release, it really tells us nothing about the game. If you want some printed review sources, you could take a look at what's on offer in the WP:CVG/M project, User:Mitaphane has a review from issue 32 of Next Generation Magazine which he can scan you, and User:X201 has a review from issue 47 of Edge (magazine) if you ask. (It got 8/10 btw)

• And that's not all, there needs to be some sort of commentary on how well it sold, where did it enter in the charts? How many units? Across which regions? I assume it did quite well given the sequels and spin offs that it has spawned, but there really needs to be some figures. - hahnchen 23:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose—1a. This is way below the required "professional" standards of writing. Here are examples from the top that show how urgently the entire text needs careful copy-editing. Please don't just fix these examples: network to find other collaborators.
  • The opening sentence is a doozler: "Wild Arms (Japanese:ワイルドアームズ,, "Wairudo Āmuzu") is a role-playing game developed by software company Media.Vision and originally released in Japan in 1996 for the Sony Playstation video game console and was later translated and released in North America in 1997 and Europe in 1998 by Sony Computer Entertainment." (1) It's a long snake that needs chopping up for the sake of our readers' digestive sytems. (2) It's seriously ungrammatical. (3) It's very blue; why are dictionary terms such as "software", and "Europe" and "North Americal" blued out (and below, "guns"—we do speak English)? The link-pages are hardly useful. (Good use of piped year links, though.)
  • Second sentence: "It is noteworthy for not only being one of the first role-playing video games on the PlayStation,[2] but one of the ...". Best not to tell our readers what to note, and in any case, all of the text in a lead should be noteworthy. The sentence is unfortunately complex in grammatical structure, and a little repetitive. Not a good way to engage us at the start.
  • Third sentence: "the adventures of a band of miscreants and adventures called Dream Chasers who scour the world"—What? (BTW, a comma is required after "Chasers", since it's not a subset.
  • Just below the lead: "as they progress through a number of environments, battle enemies, and solve puzzles"—Poor listing; this list is "1a and 1b, and 2", isn't it? In any case, how do they progress through battle enemies? Sounds as though they self-transform into enemas or digestive salts. Tony 23:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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