Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/West Indies cricket team/archive1

West Indian cricket team

A renomination after a substantial rewrite. I believe all comments on the previous nomination have been dealt with, jguk 21:44, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Very good article, but I particularly like the tabel of results in the 80s. Any reason why this hasn't been implemented for all years? Perhaps this should be done in another page, but I think it would be very useful. Harro5 06:14, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- A table of all results for all time would be too long, I think. I take your point that it would be useful to have a summary of every result on another page though, jguk 07:08, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A fine piece of work which is hard to fault. -- Ian ≡ talk 14:23, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Object: After prompting from the comments below and re-reading the article, it does really need to expand beyond a history of West Indian cricket. Sorry, but it's not quite there yet. -- Ian ≡ talk 03:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Object:
1. ~~The image Image:75 Years of West Indian cricket.PNG is claimed as "fair use", but does not have a fair use rationale.~~
2. ~~The image Image:Champions Trophy 2004.png is claimed as "fair use", but its use in the article appears to be strictly decorative. Therefore, it does not qualify for fair use.~~
--Carnildo 21:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

- The "75 Years" image is used, with a clear description, to say that the West Indies Cricket Board authorised the book to celebrate 75 Years of West Indian Test cricket. The "Champions Trophy" logo is described in the text as being there because the West Indies won the competition. What's wrong with this? jguk 08:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - What's wrong with the "75 years" image is that the image description page has no fair use rationale: see Wikipedia:Fair use and Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale. What's wrong with the "Champions Trophy" logo is that it provides no information to the article and is not discussed in the article: it exists only for decorative purposes. --Carnildo 18:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - Just a query here about fair use for Carnildo: you say that "75 years" has no fair use rationale. Doesn't the 'book cover' copyright tag count as rationale? What more is needed? I'm just making sure I understand where you're coming from. This area seems much too complicated for me. Raven4x4x 10:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - The "book cover" tag counts as a fair use rationale in an article about the book. Any other use needs its own rationale. --Carnildo 20:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        One bit of the article is about the book - namely the bit about the WICB authorising it to celebrate 75 years of West Indian Test cricket. Isn't this enough? Anyway, I'm removing these two images for now, jguk 20:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support This looks solid. Good job, jg. -- Peripatetic 00:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object – The article only speaks on the history of the WICT. I feel this should be moved to so a separate article and a summary of the same be added here. The page size is also on the higher side. I think the following things need to be added: 1. Frank Worell's contribution: IIRC He was responsible for changing the fortunes of the WI team, using cricket as an outlet to unite the people against colonialism and poverty. 2. Nothing mentioned about the innovations introduced by WI -- Chinaman etc., 3. WI home grounds & culture --> calypso, noisy stadiums, flamboyant batsmen, fast bowlers etc. (I know, I should have reviewed earlier, but didn't have the time.) =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it would be somewhat POV to single out Worrell. Also, although I'd like to write a Social history of cricket sometime, I'm not sure this is the place (ie this article isn't meant to be a social history of West Indian cricket, which would be a separate article entirely - and quite an interesting one if it ever gets written:) ) jguk 16:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nichalp raises some good points which would improve this article further - perhaps this article should be moved to History of the West Indies cricket team and featured there, and his points added to a new more rounded article on the West Indian cricket team? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object. Has an ugly self-reference up the top of the page. Lead section should be more of a summary of the article and less of a narrative history. It also contains no content apart from history; almost the point where it could be named History of the West Indian cricket team with virtually no changes. The history, however, is excellent. Ambi 07:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- What are you looking for apart from the history? jguk 16:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Uniforms? Grounds? Key records? Current squad? Supporters? Culture? Also the squad that won any trophies. There's quite a lot that could be added. See Arsenal F.C., which is today's main page article and a fantastic example of a club article. As an additional objection, the references aren't in the proper format. Ambi 02:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]