Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/School Rumble/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 16:43, 5 December 2009 [1].

School Rumble

Nominator(s): 陣内 _Jinnai 22:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the criteria. The article has undergone several external assessments and a major copyedit.陣内 _Jinnai 22:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note

Apparently Jinnai's computer died (see here) and he can only access the internet via his PSP right now. As it takes too long to type anything substantial, his participation may be very low until he can get his computer fixed. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: Found out what is the problem and ordered the parts. However, it may be another week before i can do much.陣内 _Jinnai 19:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical comments

~~No dab links, but refs 68 and 72 and the first external link are all dead.~~
- External link corrected; 68 removed (and all infobox info on non-English publishers which have had English publications removed per template talk's consensus); 72 replaced with 3 refs.陣内_Jinnai 01:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - All external links work now. --an odd name 02:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~"2004=2005"—should this be 2004–2005 (with an en dash) or was this intentional (like the Lucky Star star)?~~
- First assumption was right.
Ref dates are all Month Day, Year~~, except for a few Day Month Year dates in "Other related media" and maybe other places~~.
- Checked there and elsewhere and found them all to be MDY.
  - 125, 127, and 128 used {{cite book}} with separate month, day and year parameters. The documentation recommends simply using date if all three are present. They're fixed now. --an odd name 00:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All images have alt text. The cover's alt should be obvious from viewing the image alone, though—I suggest you replace Tenma and Harima's names with descriptions of the characters, and maybe describe the text on (and appearance of) the cover as well, to meet that. Otherwise, they have no obvious errors. (added on 22:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC))
- Added descriptions of the characters. Check them out and see if there missing anything.陣内_Jinnai 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Alts look good now. --an odd name 21:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other comments

I wonder if Kobayashi intended "School Ramble" (with an a) instead of "Rumble". It would make vastly more sense, and one source in the article is spelled "Ramble". Do any sources discuss the spelling?
- The only other spelling I've seen (and i can note this if you want) is the shorthand Japanese pronunciation Schoolrum.
  - Nah, that one doesn't seem too important. --an odd name 21:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see sales data for the manga. Is there such data for the anime? (Inspired mainly by your review at Talk:New Cutie Honey/GA1—here I turn the tables a bit *wink*)

--an odd name 22:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deal with the others when i have some more time.陣内_Jinnai 23:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Addressed most of the issues. For sales data, i might have a chance later to look around, but not atm.陣内 _Jinnai 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments for now. I will probably add more later since I'm skimming really fast. —Arsonal (talk) 09:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any particular reason why the infobox image isn't using a cover image of the first Japanese manga volume?
- See Talk:School Rumble#Reasoning for volume 13 Infoxbox image. --an odd name 20:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - In addition, one of the main reasons for manga, to show the artstyle, fails for volume 1 as the main image is a chibi version of Tenma and an very extreme closeup of her face which does not allow to clearly see the general artstyle. 陣内_Jinnai 20:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Good enough reason for me. I disagree with the systemic bias assessment, but I'll leave that discussion out of here. I was just curious. Arsonal (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~First TV anime infobox section: extraneous closing bracket after "Revelation films", whose "f" should be capitalized.~~
Media/Manga: Is it necessary to provide the Japanese name for Weekly Shōnen Magazine if it already has an article?
- Removed it. I think it was originally added for consistency with the other publications.
Media/Anime: In the image, "Initial D" should be italicized. "Azumanga Diaoh" is a misspelling.
Media/Other related media: Add a comma after "July 21, 2005". Remove comma after "It was later reissued". "Famitsu" should be italicized and linked as Famitsū.
Reception and sales/Anime: Italicize foreign words like shōnen and shōjo.
- Those imo are common enough words that they do not need to be italicized, especially shōnen/shonen.陣内_Jinnai 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - It may be common in the manga and anime industry, but someone who has no knowledge about it would not immediately know. These words are not inherently English words. Project FAs Tokyo Mew Mew and the more recent Shojo Beat italicize these terms. Arsonal (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I could see the argument for Shojo, but given the popularity of Naruto and Dragonball Z beyond the typical anime/manga community shonen I believe has become more mainstream.陣内 _Jinnai 17:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Extremepro (talk · contribs)

Please make the spelling of English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: favorite (A) (British: favourite), mustache (A) (British: moustache), recognise (B) (American: recognize), criticize (A) (British: criticise), fulfilment (B) (American: fulfillment), sceptic (B) (American: skeptic).

Note: This comment is from User:AndyZ's peer review script. Extremepro 22:59, 20 Nov 2009 (UTC)

Image comments
- File:School Rumble - bike-chase.png is missing source info (is it from a website? Was it a self-made screencap?) and I don't think it really meets WP:NFCC. The rationale states it is used to show "how the series uses gags" and an example of a cultural reference. The latter reason isn't defensible, and the first one doesn't make any sense—I don't see a gag, I don't see where the text explains the gag, so obviously it's not doing a good job. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 22:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - The gag is that it is a mockup of Initial D's Trueno. Intial D isn't in any way related to School Rumble, but the gag is that they still ride past him on their bikes. The riding past them is hard to show I admit with a screencap, but generally a screencap is easier to be defensable than a clip. Furthermore the cheesy 3-D graphics also show the way the anime goes along with the gag as the Initial D series is known for such graphics. This is an example of the type of gag used; one that used absurdist humor combined often with references to other anime/manga or pop-culture references.陣内_Jinnai 07:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - But none of that is explicitly elaborated on in the prose, as far as I see. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 13:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done. I still am wanting to do a short clip as I think it would illustrate the point better as its hard to see how the biks ride past the car with a screenshot, but need to find a good video splitting program.陣内 _Jinnai 07:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Done what? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Jinnai expanded the image's "Purpose" at its page. (Nothing was added to the article itself, if that's what you ask. I guess Jinnai wanted to hold that off until a clip was made, but Nihonjoe's note above suggests that itself might be on hold.) --an odd name 20:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1c, 2c, comments: Also, what makes Mania.com, ICv2, Eomi Press, cdJapan, THEMAnime.org, Kodansha, Jonu Media, Digital=Sat high quality reliable sources? Some citations are inconsistently formatted, and/or missing, ex. curent ref #186. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Mania.com, ICv2, THEM Anime have been tested for reliability by WikiProject Anime and manga and have passed in previous FACs. Kodansha is the official publisher's website. Jonu Media is the publisher of Jonu Magazine based in Barcelona, Spain. CDJapan is one of the largest online retailer for Japanese products based in Tokyo. "Eomi Press" should be "ComiPress", though Jinnai will have to answer your question on its reliability. The same goes with "Digital=Sat" which should be "Digital-Sat". Arsonal (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - On brief glance, the entries for several of the above sources including Mania and ICv2 have no justification linked as to how they actually meet WP:RS; having published lots of stories doesn't count. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 00:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - ICv2 is cited by the press in publications such as The New York Times, BusinessWeek, and Time (see about & history). We only use parts of Mania.com that previously existed as AnimeOnDVD.com, which was cited by press sources. Arsonal (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the |other_networks= as it is going to be deprecated. Source the networks in the body before removing. Extremepro (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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