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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 17 May 2023 [1].

North East MRT line

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Nominator(s): ZKang123 (talk) 07:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Singapore's 3rd MRT line first opened nearly 20 years ago. It is the first fully automated underground MRT line in Singapore, and I hope to have this passed before 20 June, which is the line's 20th anniversary. ZKang123 (talk) 07:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I kinda feel it is FA material, but as a totally unprofessional GA reviewer, I kinda have a horribly weak support for this, so it’s kind of a comment. It appears clear and concise and well-sourced.
Brachy08 (Never Gonna Give You Up, Never Gonna Let You Down) 04:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Epicgenius

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Lead:

  • "Operated by SBS Transit, the 20-kilometre (12 mi) line is the MRT's shortest." - The fact that the NEL is the shortest in the MRT system doesn't seem to be mentioned, or cited, directly in the article.
  • "Chinatown, Little India, Serangoon and Hougang" - Can these be linked?
  • "Coloured purple on official maps, it is the country's first fully-automated underground rail line. ... Singapore's third MRT line" - This info should be in one sentence, rather than split across two paragraphs. For instance, "Coloured purple on official maps, it is Singapore's third MRT line and the country's first fully-automated underground rail line."
  • "the NEL was planned during the 1980s and 1990s to alleviate traffic congestion on roads leading to the northeast suburbs. Its alignment and stations were finalised in 1996." - Can you add more detail about the delays to the lead? This should only be one sentence, but a concise explanation about why the project was delayed would be great.
  • "except for two stations; Buangkok station opened on 15 January 2006, and Woodleigh station began operations on 20 June 2011." - I would clarify that these stations were built along with the rest of the line but didn't open in 2003 (as opposed to being in-fill stations that were built after the line had already opened). E.g. "Two stations did not open with the rest of the line; Buangkok station opened on 15 January 2006, and Woodleigh station began operations on 20 June 2011.
  • The third paragraph appears to be summarising the "Culture", "Infrastructure", and "Station facilities" sections, but it is quite short. In particular, I suggest adding details about the facilities (i.e. elevators/lifts, safety, accessibility, Civil Defence) which do not appear to be summarised at all. By contrast, that paragraph describes the rolling stock and signalling system in some detail.

More later. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed most of above points. Although unsure how I would cite it is the shortest, given the other lines' distances are longer... ZKang123 (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, I forgot about this, as I was busy in real life. I'll leave some more comments tomorrow.
For line lengths, I would either leave out this information altogether or find a secondary source. If you really can't find a source but still want to include it, I would add an explanatory footnote which gives the length of every MRT line. – Epicgenius (talk) 03:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added a footnote ZKang123 (talk) 13:18, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "roads would be inadequate to serve planned 21st-century housing estates" - Do you mean that roads alone could not serve the projected traffic counts?
  • "To minimise the impact on other development, plans for the line were developed early to determine which parcels of land would be needed for its construction" - Who developed these plans? I would personally rephrase this as "To minimise the impact on other development, [the planner] developed plans for the line early on to determine which parcels of land would be needed for its construction".
  • "portion after Braddell Road" - North or south of Braddell Road?
  • "In February 1991, it was proposed to extend the line to Pulau Tekong via Pulau Ubin, to serve future residential and industrial developments in the long-term plans for the islands." - I'd change "the islands" to "these islands", as many readers may not immediately realize that Pulau Tekong and Pulau Ubin are islands, even if it's implied.
  • "the Woodlands extension took precedence with firm plans for development there, unlike in the northeast" - I also think it's redundant to say "the Woodlands extension took precedence" twice in two sentences. Instead, I suggest "there were firm plans for development around the Woodlands extension, unlike in the northeast"
  • "On 20 May 1999, SBS Transit (then Singapore Bus Service) was appointed to operate the line with the Sengkang and Punggol LRT systems." - Just to clarify, do you mean that SBS Transit was appointed to operate the line and operate both LRT systems?
  • "In 1998, the timeline for Punggol station was moved up because of planning housing developments" - Should this be "planned housing developments"?
  • "Two delays occurred that day: a train, stalled between Boon Keng and Potong Pasir, had to be manually steered to Farrer Park; and another train was removed from service when it failed to leave Dhoby Ghaut station because its sensors mistakenly indicated that a set of doors remained open" - I think the details of these delays might be excessive, unless these delays negatively operated the line's operation for a long time (e.g. a few days or longer). In fact, I think the info in this sentence is encapsulated by the beginning of the following paragraph: "Although the NEL has experienced a few glitches since its opening..."
  • "On 17 June 2003, SBS Transit announced that two stations (Woodleigh and Buangkok)" - You've already mentioned the names of the two stations in the previous section. I would just say "On 17 June 2003, SBS Transit announced that Woodleigh and Buangkok stations"
  • "The Buangkok station opened "with much fanfare" and activities which included a walk-and-jog" - Similarly, I think it would suffice to say that the Buangkok station opened as scheduled.
  • "Several commuters alighted at Woodleigh station by accident on its opening day, intending to get off at the adjacent Serangoon station and unaware that Woodleigh had opened; SBS deployed several staff members to assist confused commuters. Other curious commuters alighted to see the station's interior or try an alternative route from the station" - I think this detail may be excessive, too. I would assume that some commuters would be confused and others would want to look at the station when it opened.
  • "transport minister Ong Ye Kung said" - Did Ong say this when tunneling was completed, or at some other time?
More later. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Network and operations:
  • "5:30 am and 12:30 am", "5.42 am", "11:56 pm" - These should be formatted consistently (with either a period or a colon between the hour and minute).
  • "The NEL initially had a higher fare than the North South and East West lines" - Just wondering, was the original NEL fare a flat fare or a distance-based fare? Later on, the article says that the NEL uses the same distance-based fare as other lines, but I wonder if a distance-based fare was used beforehand, too.
  • "15-year license" - Should this be "licence"? Incidentally, this sounds a little like a lease.
  • "the fully-underground 20-kilometre (12 mi) NEL runs ... The line runs" - This is a little redundant; I suggest changing one of these sentences to not use "runs". E.g. "the fully-underground 20-kilometre (12 mi) NEL operates between Singapore's city centre and the northeastern parts of the island."
  • "The NEL will continue towards the Punggol Coast station in 2024," - I suggest "The NEL is expected to continue towards the Punggol Coast station in 2024". Otherwise, we run the risk of WP:CRYSTALBALL-like wording.
  • "and the line is coloured purple on official maps" - How come this is in the "Stations" section?
  • "may be built in the future" - I'd drop "in the future", as the phrase "may be built" already implies the future.
Culture
  • "Unlike the other NEL stations, the entrances to Buangkok do not use glass" - I'd say "Unlike at the other NEL stations". You're comparing the Buangkok entrances and the other stations' entrances, rather than comparing Buangkok's entrances and the other stations themselves.
  • Are Dhoby Ghaut, Sengkang and Punggol given their own paragraphs because they have particularly interesting designs?
  • "The network's first such integration" - Of an office building and station complex?
  • "the Punggol station was intended to be integrated with the LRT station and the bus interchange" - I would mention, more directly, that Punggol station also features an LRT station and bus interchange (currently, this is implied rather than stated directly). Also, unless it's the case that Punggol station wasn't integrated with the LRT station and bus interchange, I'd just drop "intended to be". E.g. "Designed by the 3HPArchitects and Farrells architectural firms, the Punggol station was also integrated with an LRT station and bus interchange".
  • Do we have references for the artwork list?
More later. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure about the types of fares... that would be something to dig into... Addressed the other points ZKang123 (talk) 07:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Epicgenius ? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the continued delays. I will complete this by Monday. – Epicgenius (talk) 03:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Station facilities
  • "When a station is used as a civil-defence (CD) shelter, the PSC becomes its command centre" - The PSC becomes the CD shelter's command centre?
  • "Their speed is reduced by half when not in use by commuters" - I'd just say "Their speed is halved when not in use".
  • "55 metres (180 ft) travellators" - This should be singular. e.g. "55-metre (180 ft) travellators"
  • "Each station has an entrance with barrier-free access via lifts and ramps" - I would say "Each station has an entrance that was built with barrier-free access via lifts and ramps", since we're contrasting this with older stations that are being retrofitted with ramps and lifts.
  • "Westinghouse platform screen doors (PSDs) are a safety barrier between passengers on platforms and trains" - I think PSDs in general act as a safety barrier, not just Westinghouse PSDs. Additionally, this may go against MOS:SEAOFBLUE, since the links for Westinghouse and PSDs are right next to each other. But see below.
  • "A total of 768 PSDs were supplied to the NEL's 16 stations" - A few things here:
    • Are we talking about how many pairs of doors are in each station (in which there are 48 pairs per station)? Usually, when I read about PSDs, they are described in terms of how many stations have PSDs (in which case there are 16 PSDs) or how many platforms have PSDs (in which case there are 32 PSDs, assuming there are two platforms per station).
    • I'd rephrase this in active voice.
    • Also, it appears that Westinghouse is only supplying PSDs to the initial set of 16 stations, not the extension. I would just say "Westinghouse supplied 768 pairs of PSDs to the NEL's original 16 stations".
  • "Except for three stations (Dhoby Ghaut, Sengkang and Punggol), NEL stations are designated civil-defence (CD) shelters" - I'd condense this too, i.e. "All NEL stations except Dhoby Ghaut, Sengkang and Punggol are designated civil-defence (CD) shelters".
That's all I have for now. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rectified all of the above ZKang123 (talk) 02:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - everything looks good to me now. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mike Christie

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Feel free to revert any copyedits I've made that you disagree with.

  • I see you have a footnote to explain "Woodlands extension", but why not link the phrase to North–South MRT line#Woodlands extension in the text?
  • "Yeo's successor, Mah Bow Tan, said that the northeast's low population made it financially unfeasible to build the NEL instead of the Woodlands extension. Mah said in 1992 that the Woodlands extension was built because, unlike the northeast, plans were "firmed up" for development in Woodlands; the NEL would be built when housing developments in the northeast were completed." If I have this right, the first sentence is sourced to 1993 comments, and the second is from 1992. There's some redundancy here, and I don't like "was built" when in January 1992 the Woodlands extension had not yet started construction. I think we could compress this to "According to Yeo's successor, Mah Bow Tan, the Woodlands extension took precedence because there were firm plans for development there, unlike in the northeast, where the low population meant that the NEL would not be as cost-effective."
  • "When the 16 stations were announced, Potong Pasir (then named Sennett), Woodleigh and Punggol would not be built with the other stations due to lack of development around the station sites." Suggest "Three of the 16 stations announced in 1996, Potong Pasir (then named Sennett), Woodleigh and Punggol, were not included in the initial plan. Their construction was deferred until the areas around them were further developed."
  • "The timeline for Punggol station was moved up to serve the upcoming Punggol 21 developments". I don't have access to the source for this, so can't be sure this works, but I think the date should be mentioned; perhaps "In 1998 the timeline for Punggol station was moved up because of planning housing developments" in the area. If Punggol 21 is worth mentioning specifically, and I suspect it is, how about a red link?
  • I don't quite follow the sentences about Sennett station. If the government made no decision to construct Sennett/Potong Pasir until February 2002, how were they able to build it in such a short time? It sound like the lines were handed over for testing in December 2002. Did Potong Pasir really go from paper to working station in ten months? I see from the "Opening of reserved stations" sections that Woodleigh, at least, was built but not opened, but this seems out of sync with the earlier "...would not be built with the other stations".
  • "many of whom were impressed by its comfort and speed". Suggest cutting this; it's not very useful to the reader, and in fact the source article quotes quite a few minor complaints as well.
  • "A station designated "NE2", between HarbourFront and Outram Park, may be built in the future if development warrants it". According to the planning map, this station was included in the 1991 concept plan; I think that would be worth mentioning at this point.
  • "Its simple layout, spacious interior and transparency facilitate navigation." What does "facilitate navigation" mean? And I don't see anything about this in the given source -- am I missing something?
  • "To increase the line extension's capacity": what does "line extension" mean here? Just the Punggol Coast station? If so it seems odd that almost a twenty percent increase in rolling stock was needed for one more station.
  • "Each train, made of fire-resistant materials, includes fire and smoke detectors and a fire barrier under its frame. They have..." Syntax should be consistent; "Each train" is singular, but "They" is plural. Suggest "The trains are made of fire-resistant materials, and include fire and smoke detectors and a fire barrier under the frame. They have..."
  • "and three additional stabling tracks are being built for the NELe": needs an "as of" date, and I assume that "e" is just a typo?
  • "the IAGO (Informatisation et Automatisation par Guide d’Onde) waveguide allows two-way communication between the trains and the waveguides": surely not what you meant to say -- nobody is communicating with the waveguides.
  • "The reliability of the line's signalling system ensured that the NEL maintains its "mean kilometres between failures" target of one million train-km (620,000 train-miles)." The source doesn't really draw this conclusion so directly. It talks about the improvements to reliability, and then mentions this number.
  • "The renewal programmes maintain the line's reliability" -- suggest cutting this; it doesn't tell the reader anything the previous sentences haven't conveyed.
  • "Every station has a passenger service centre (PSC) on its concourse.[165] The PSCs are generally curved, unlike the boxier designs of those in older MRT stations.[166] In addition to assisting passengers and checking and topping up their fare cards, the PSC monitors and controls the functions of connecting tunnels and communicates with the OCC at the depot." You're using PSC to mean both the physical structure and the employees that staff it, which is a bit disconcerting to read. I think making it "the PSC's staff monitor and control..." would address this.
  • "Station seats have armrests to assist those who have difficulty standing." This seems to make no sense. The armrests are not in use by those standing.
  • "set up by the to improve"?

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Going through the suggestions:
"When the 16 stations were announced, Potong Pasir (then named Sennett), Woodleigh and Punggol would not be built with the other stations due to lack of development around the station sites." Suggest "Three of the 16 stations announced in 1996, Potong Pasir (then named Sennett), Woodleigh and Punggol, were not included in the initial plan. Their construction was deferred until the areas around them were further developed."
I don't quite follow the sentences about Sennett station. If the government made no decision to construct Sennett/Potong Pasir until February 2002, how were they able to build it in such a short time? It sound like the lines were handed over for testing in December 2002. Did Potong Pasir really go from paper to working station in ten months? I see from the "Opening of reserved stations" sections that Woodleigh, at least, was built but not opened, but this seems out of sync with the earlier "...would not be built with the other stations".
As for Senett (now Potong Pasir), it was planned to be built as a shell station, then the government decided to build the station in full but let it remain closed. According to the source, the three stations were announced but they would be "reserved".
OK, but we still have "would not be built" in the article -- you're saying they were in fact partly built? Or at least Sennett and Woodleigh were? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:11, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Verified they would be built as structural shells instead of fully built and added a note on the govt's decision to build them fully. ZKang123 (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Its simple layout, spacious interior and transparency facilitate navigation." What does "facilitate navigation" mean? And I don't see anything about this in the given source -- am I missing something?
I'm trying to rephrase from this portion: "The space planning of the station took future connections into consideration and adopted a simple layout to allow clear and easy wayfinding to help commuters navigate to the various modes of transport". Might specify "visual navigation".
The source here is the LTA so I don't think we should phrase this (complimentary) description as if it were an achievement; it should be stated as the goal of the design. I also don't see anything in what you quote about a spacious interior or transparency. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"To increase the line extension's capacity": what does "line extension" mean here? Just the Punggol Coast station? If so it seems odd that almost a twenty percent increase in rolling stock was needed for one more station.
I guess passenger capacity for the train load.
"and three additional stabling tracks are being built for the NELe": needs an "as of" date, and I assume that "e" is just a typo?
NELe: North East Line extension. Added as of 2019.
"the IAGO (Informatisation et Automatisation par Guide d’Onde) waveguide allows two-way communication between the trains and the waveguides": surely not what you meant to say -- nobody is communicating with the waveguides.
I guess something went wrong in the copyediting... (version before copyedit). The original version was "the IAGO waveguide (Informatisation et Automatisation par Guide d’Onde or waveguide transmission line system for computer and automation applications), which allows two-way communication between the trains and the track tubes emitting the microwaves, monitors the trains' positions and movements".
Actually according to the source it says: In a world first, the IAGO waveguide - essentially a microwave emitting tube running the entire length of the track - sends "signals" which are picked up by receivers on board the moving train, enabling the train's position to be known accurately. There is two way communication between the train and the waveguide.
You now have "...which allows two-way communication between the trains and the track tubes emitting the microwaves..." I would make this just "allows communication between trains". A waveguide for microwaves is the equivalent of a wire for a landline telephone; two people on a phone call are communicating with each other, not with the wire, and similarly here the trains are communicating with each other, and not with the waveguide. Similarly a waveguide is not going to "monitor the trains' positions and movements" -- an overall system that incorporates the waveguide might do such a thing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The reliability of the line's signalling system ensured that the NEL maintains its "mean kilometres between failures" target of one million train-km (620,000 train-miles)." The source doesn't really draw this conclusion so directly. It talks about the improvements to reliability, and then mentions this number.
How would I rephrase this? Maybe " The NEL maintains its "mean kilometres between failures" target of one million train-km"?
Station seats have armrests to assist those who have difficulty standing
Those who need help to get up from their seats... ZKang123 (talk) 09:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also here's the book source for further cross-checking. ZKang123 (talk) 09:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've struck some points above and left replies for the ones I think need more attention. FYI, for future reference, it might be easier for you to reply directly in the original bullet list by indenting -- that would save you from having to copy down the text for each point. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok addressed the above points ZKang123 (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I made a small change to the IAGO sentence; otherwise all points addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review

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Ensure all tables have row scopes, col scopes, and captions per MOS:DTAB. Heartfox (talk) 02:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done that. ZKang123 (talk) 07:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Heartfox Any further comments? ZKang123 (talk) 04:55, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Where was that explained? That seems unlikely. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria In the commons file history ZKang123 (talk) 00:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The explanation provided does not seem likely - see the examples at commons:Commons:Threshold_of_originality. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to PD-license but tbh if the license changes again, it's not exactly within my control since it's hosted on commons. ZKang123 (talk) 01:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The user who reverted replied that Singapore's TOO is actually pretty low. see ZKang123 (talk) 04:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria apologies for the ping, but any further comments besides the logo licensing? ZKang123 (talk) 12:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, and I'm afraid my opinion hasn't changed on that question. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Decided to remove the logo because it was too much of a hassle; the editor on commons keeps reverting my edits claiming Singapore's TOO is too low and hence the logo warrants copyright protection. I think I will ping the user here to explain. @Glrx ZKang123 (talk) 01:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123:
C151 lover uploaded File:North East Line logo.png claiming it as his own work and asserting a CC-BY-SA 4.0 International license. That license is compatible with Commons and all WMF wikis. There is no reason to insist on a PD license. The car image is NOT a "simple geometric shape" such as a circle, triangle or square; the presence of some text in a logo does not eliminate considering the associated art. The car image is above TOO US.
Furthermore, the location of C151 lover is not known: C151 lover asserted an international license. If C151 lover is in a low TOO jurisdiction such as the UK or Singapore, then his TOO is below TOO US.
I converted the PNG to SVG by copying, so I created a derivative work. Consequently, I should respect the CC-BY-SA 4.0 of the original author.
There may be other reasons to claim that the PNG does not have a copyright, but {{PD-textlogo}} is not an appropriate justification.
Why is an archive being edited?
Glrx (talk) 01:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Featured article candidacies are conventionally run on /archive pages on this wiki; the discussion remains active.
If we accept that the car image is sufficiently original to warrant copyright protection, and also that the version here is an accurate reflection of the real-world logo, it would follow that C151's upload was a derivative work of that official logo, and there is no evidence that that logo was ever released under a CC license (so far as I can tell - please advise if that is not the case). Thus we would not be able to use the image. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the logo from the page. And as far as I know, the train logo is indeed copyrighted by LTA, although it's no longer in use. See the legend at the bottom right of the map and the consultancy firm behind the train logo ZKang123 (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria I have upscaled most of the images in the article. Should I also upscale the images in the station list as well? Cos in articles like Piccadilly line and Victoria line the images are downsized, and 1 Line (Sound Transit) upsized them to 120px.
Also removed the logo for copyright concerns. ZKang123 (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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  • Formatting:
    • fn 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36, 48, 70: CS1 maint errors - get rid of the |url-status=live cards.
    • fn 130, 132, 146, 161, 165: "p." should be "pp."
    • Leong (2003): capitalise the "T" and "S"
    • Tan (2003): capitalise the "T"
  • All sources are of high quality
  • Spot checks:
    • fn 109 Not seeing it. (Also: why is Bidadari in small letters?)
    • fn 26, 80, 114, 116, 135 - okay

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rectified the above issues. Removed speculative "future" bus interchanges ZKang123 (talk) 00:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hawkeye7 Any further comments? ZKang123 (talk) 04:55, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No further comments. (I made a couple of minor changes.) Passing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Airship

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As always, these are suggestions, not demands; feel free to refuse with adequate justification. This review will be used in the Wikicup.

  • The lead, especially the last paragraph, is a bit staccato in sentence layout; any way to connect sentences?
  • Is there really a need for the List heading in the stations section?
  • Some paragraphs and sections are quite short. I can see the need for the last three sections in the "Station facilities" section; I would remove the first two ("Passenger service centres" and "Lifts and escalators")
  • The safety section has "The PSDs...The PSDs ..." combine?

Minor problems. I think I can definitely support this article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • In terms of section order, I would certainly expect culture to be placed lower than infrastructure and probably station facilities as well.
Rectified above issues. Thanks for checking through. ZKang123 (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments

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  • In "References" some article titles are in title case, some in sentence case and at least one is a mix. Could they be standardised, preferably in title case. (How they appeared in their original is irrelevant.)
  • "White paper A World Class Land Transport System" should be in title case. Also needs publisher location. And an ISBN - 978997188488. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Converted all titles to title case. Also ISBN included without 978 (generates an error otherwise) ZKang123 (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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