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The article was archived by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2018 [1].

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Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine

Nominator(s): Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

This article is about an indie video game in which players solve heists using a range of different characters, all with different specialties. I've only ever nominated one other article for FA (Fallout 4: Far Harbor), so if you think I've missed anything in the article, please leave suggestions. Cheers, Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

@Rhinopias and Alexandra IDV: Pinging those who left comments on the PR. Anarchyte (work | talk) 05:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47

• Add ALT text to the infobox image. Please add ALT text for all of the images.
• The caption for the infobox image should not have a period at the end as it is not a complete sentence.
• For this part (his, the Pickpocket, the Cleaner, and Lookout's recent actions), I would rephrase it to (his recent actions with the Pickpocket, the Cleaner, and Lookout) to avoid having “his” awkwardly cut off.
• Please be consistent with your use of the the Oxford comma. You use it in a majority of places, but there are spots without it (i.e. for the Xbox 360, Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X and Linux).

Fixed the one you mentioned.

• ”Playstation 3” is linked multiple times in the body of the article. The same comment applies for “Eurogamer”.

Great work with the article; once my comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any help with my current FAC (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/All Souls (TV series)/archive1)? Either way, have a great day and/or night! Aoba47 (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, Aoba47. I believe I've addressed them all. I'm a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I'll try to take a look. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:22, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for addressing my comments; I support this for promotion. Don't worry if you cannot get to my FAC. I very much enjoyed reading through this article, and my FAC is still very new and hopefully will attract more attention/commentary over time. Have a wonderful rest of your day and/or night! Aoba47 (talk) 16:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments from Ceranthor

• "The PC versions of Monaco were developed and published by Pocketwatch Games while the Xbox 360 version was published by Majesco Entertainment." - should be a comma before while
• "Development of Monaco began while Andy Schatz, the lead developer, was working for TKO Software, before he founded his own independent company Pocketwatch Games." - too clunky with arrangement. "Development ... while lead developer Andy Schatz was working ... and before he founded..." is better

Changed to: Development of Monaco began while lead developer Andy Schatz was working for TKO Software and before he had founded his own independent company, Pocketwatch Games.

• "After discussions with Schatz, the soundtrack was composed by American composer Austin Wintory." - no need for the "discussions with Schatz" bit
• "Andy Nguyen, whom Schatz met while he was looking for playtesters, helped with the development of Monaco as a level designer and producer, as well as working in booths." - what does working in booths mean?

Festival booths. Changed in lead (already said that in the development section).

• "Majesco Entertainment handled the release of the Xbox 360 version after Microsoft Game Studios had turned down the game twice." - why did they turn it down twice? Also don't need the "had" before turned

Changed to: Majesco Entertainment handled the release of the Xbox 360 version after Microsoft Game Studios rejected it twice due to marketability issues.

• "The game was positively received by reviewers and won two awards at the 2010 Independent Games Festival. Reviewers praised the cooperative gameplay highly but said that the single-player was less fun because there was less to do" - don't repeat reviewers in such close proximity, and it's not encyclopedic to say the single-player was "less fun"

Changed to: The game was positively received by reviewers and won two awards at the 2010 Independent Games Festival. Critics praised the cooperative modes highly but said that the single-player was inferior because there was less gameplay.

• "Reviewers liked the art style and said that its minimalistic design suited its gameplay." - for clarity's sake, I'd say "the game's art style"

How about: Reviewers liked the art style and said the minimalistic design suited the game.?

• "Monaco is a stealth–action game" - in the lead you said stealth and action, now it's stealth–action?
• "played in a top-down perspective" - not sure "in" is the right word here
• "heists and robberies in locations including nightclubs, mansions, and yachts.[1]" - I'd take out "locations including"

I removed in locations including nightclubs, mansions, and yachts.

• "Gentleman, who says he is under house arrest but leave" - leave?

Should have been: but manages to leave

• "They steal various valuables, including diamonds and artwork, and hire the Hacker." - "They steal valuables including diamonds and artwork and hire the Hacker"
• "The Pickpocket reveals that, while smuggling, they purposefully blew up the boat to distract Interpol." - not sure this sentence properly communicates what you want it to, what does it mean that they blew up the boat "while smuggling"?

I've removed it. It was meant to say the boat (which in the previous alibi was blown up by Davide) was actually blown up by the protagonists as a cover-up. It's easier to just remove it and say it got blown up to distract Interpol, though.

• "His alibi ends by saying the Gentleman has assumed Davide's identity and that if Inspector Voltaire attempts to confirm the story," - not sure an alibi can "end"
• "is the Mole, who she says" - whom
• "When discussing the Pickpocket, she informs Inspector Voltaire that he used to be rich before he got arrested. She informs him that the Hacker had also been in trouble before, specifically when he was caught trespassing in Interpol's headquarters. She says the Gentleman garnered the nickname "The Rat" because he was responsible for calling the police and getting everyone put back in jail.[12]" - you should re-establish that you're talking about the mole as "she"

"She" is The Lookout. Guess that reaffirms the need to reestablish it .

• "Schatz responded, saying "they were crazy", and asked if he could repitch the game; they agreed to let him do s" - should cite the direct quote from Schatz
• "as he felt the platform's ease of working with and strong marketplace," - did you mean to say "he felt the platform was easy to work with"?

Changed to: as he felt the platform was easy to work with and the marketplace, as well as the prevalence of headsets for it, would have made the Xbox 360 the ideal platform the game.

• "regarded it as being one of the best co-op experiences he'd had in a while" - no contractions
• "Scott Nichols (Digital Spy) wrote similar, though less explicit statements," - what does this mean? reword or cut it
• "he called single-player surprisingly compelling" - grammar

Is this correct: he called the single-player "surprisingly compelling".

Oppose - The prose doesn't meet 1a of the FA criteria yet. I think, given that this has been here for some time now, it would benefit from a copyedit from the GOCE and a potential peer review. ceranthor 00:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: Thanks for the comments. I've attempted to address them above. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Anarchyte I'll strike my oppose, but I'm still not totally happy with the prose yet. Any chance you could contact a copyeditor to look through and make changes? ceranthor 18:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: I don't know of any, so I'll add a request to WP:GOCE/R. Anarchyte (work | talk) 22:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: Baffle gab1978 has kindly copyedited the article. Would you be willing to re-read it and make additional suggestions? Anarchyte (work | talk) 04:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely. Sorry for the delay - was out of the country. ceranthor 13:09, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic. I look forward to it. Anarchyte (work | talk) 22:53, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Closing comment: I appreciate that we have a support here, and a recently struck oppose, but I'm afraid this FAC has been open for two months without achieving consensus to promote. Therefore I will archive shortly. The article can be renominated after the usual two-week waiting period. Sarastro (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Sarastro (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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