Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Magnum Rolle/archive1

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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 20:30, 14 November 2010 [1].

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Magnum Rolle

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• Featured article candidates/Magnum Rolle/archive1

Nominator(s): ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets all the requirements. The prose was greatly improved with its recent peer review. It is very comprehensive; it is stat-heavy, but this is a basketball article we're talking about. A "playing style" section was proposed, but I think the article adequately summarizes it in other sections. Also, there is no image, but I could not find a free one to represent him. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - one dab link (Power forward), no dead external links. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I must've missed it. Ah well, it's gone now. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

• Image comment everything looks okey.©Geni 01:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

• Not sure what was reviewed here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments:

• Consistency in references - Either it's Scout.com Fox Sports or it's Scout.com (Fox Sports). Pick one and stick with it.
  • The problem was that one was a news source and the other was a web source. I have changed both to cite web, to be consistent. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Why is there a blank section "NBA" in the statistics? If there are no statistics, don't put in a blank header
  • OK, I was going to put his nba stats there when he played his first game, but I removed it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• What makes http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/ a high quality reliable source?
  • I knew this one would cause trouble. It is a well-known and well-respected website in the college basketball community. It sponsors its own postseason tournament, and that page was describing one of the games in the tournament. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments

• "Rolle first dreamed of playing in the NBA when he was 16 years old, after he came back from a basketball camp in Arkansas.[5] However, he had some academic issues to work out." - needs rewording - perhaps merge these sentences
  • Merged. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• "...school's gymnasium was condemned in 1997" why was it condemned?
  • There was a leak, and the school wouldn't fix it. Clarified. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• wikilink field goal
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Remove whitespace around table in high school section
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• "Rolle decided to leave the LSU program on May 23" - does the source really say he decided on that day?
  • Too wordy. Changed to "left". ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• "...and Brady had been making snide comments about Rolle for a while" - was this also said by Sears? If so it would be clearer if its reworded: "...and that Brady had been...". This is a BLP issue.
  • I've reworded this sentence like five times! Added "that". ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• "...as a member of the All-Louisiana third teams" - shouldn't it be team (singular)?
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• "Gibson and Olu Ashaolu also scored more than 20 points to push Louisiana Tech to a 4–1 start," - did all three of these players contribute to the 4–1 start?
  • Yes. What is unclear? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    • I see now - was thinking about the score of the game, not the team's record. On re-reading it seems obvious now :) Jujutacular ^talk 22:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• "scored against Houston in a December 29 99–94 defeat..." too many numbers right next to each other is confusing, reword
  • Changed to "Rolle's career high in points was 29, scored against Houston in a 99–94 defeat of the Cougars on December 29; Rolle also grabbed 10 boards." ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Suggest removing empty NBA stats section until it can be populated

Jujutacular ^talk 14:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

• • Already removed. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comments
  • Paternity??
    • I have a source that mentions his dad died "some time back". I believe this article has information on him, but I do not have access to it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
  • When did he started playing for high school team, it only says he graduated. Was he always a forward?
    • I imagine he started playing freshman year, the Bahamian newspapers take it for granted. Since coach Sears noticed Rolle's extreme height, I imagine he was always a forward. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:41, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Was he named after teh show or the title character? YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 05:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
    • The show. What is unclear about it? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:41, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• Support - Seems decently well-written to me. A few notes:
• Born in Freeport, Bahamas, Rolle did not play basketball until his freshman year in high school; his coach at St. George's High School, Darrel Sears, taught Rolle the fundamentals of basketball. - Inconsistency here. In the second part of the clause, after the semicolon, you say "his coach" but then say Rolle. They don't agree.
  • Changed to "Born in Freeport, Bahamas, Rolle did not play basketball until his freshman year in high school and was taught by his coach at St. George's High School, Darrel Sears." ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 17:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• and grabbed 13.6 rebounds per game while enrolled at that school. - Seems a little too informal. Maybe a stronger verb could be used?
  • Changed to "He averaged 20.3 points and 13.6 rebounds per game while enrolled at that school." ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 17:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• Rolle quickly developed his basketball skills and competed in track and field events. - What does track and field have to do with basketball? You could mention these in separate sentences, perhaps, but I don't see why track is mentioned.
  • Added "also". ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 17:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• Coming into the 2006–07 season, the Tigers returned four starters, including Glen "Big Baby" Davis, and LSU fans hoped that Rolle would replace the shot blocking of Tyrus Thomas, who had left early for the NBA. - Shot blocking skills might go better here. ceranthor 16:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 17:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment I still think stability is an issue. Since this FAC was started, Rolle has been waived by the Pacers, and as a borderline NBA talent, it's likely that he's going to bounce around a lot. I've always thought that if you want to take a basketball player to FAC, it's much easier to write about someone whose career is finished. Zagalejo^^^ 07:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, it's fairly stable at the moment - no edit wars, etc. I added a paragraph on him being waived, but that's it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Comments –

• In the lead, I fear the non-sports fans will be confused by "and was forced to redshirt the 2007–08 season." They won't know what redshirt means. How about "and was forced to skip the 2007–08 season as a redshirt" or similar? This might be easier to understand.
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
• Link the Pacers in the lead. I get the feeling there was a link earlier that was lost when he was waived.
  • Done, and mentioned that he was waived. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
• The NBA should have its full name given somewhere, probably the lead since it is seen there first.
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
• Freshman: "The Tigers' surprised many with a Final Four run". Drop the apostrophe in the nickname.
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
• The International career section doesn't have a citation. If the Bahamas national team has a website, any player profile page it may have should cover this nicely. Also, the section is stubby at the moment. Can anything be added to it? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I did not add the section, and could not find any sources to say that he was on the team to begin with. He certainly is talented enough to play on that team, though. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Editorofthewiki, your sig makes this FAC very hard to read; please see WP:SIG and consider altering it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I shortened it a bit. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 23:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment
• is a distant cousin - the source indicates that the Rolles "believed" that all Rolles are distant cousins, that's OR reword or remove.

Secret ^account 18:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• • It specifically mentioned three in particular that were. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 21:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

More than three weeks up, no consensus to promote, unresolved sourcing issues and unclear image review. Please work those out and bring it back in a few weeks. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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