Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kenneth Anger/archive1

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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:14, 2 June 2010 [1].

Kenneth Anger

Featured article candidates/Kenneth Anger/archive1

Nominator(s): Sir Richardson (talk) 00:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this currently A-class biography of the seven decade cult experimental filmmaker and occultist. I believe I have dealt with all of mostly minor issues to bring it to standard, such as improving the prose, deleting dead links, and standardizing citations. Any concerns or issues I will be willing to address and deal with. Sir Richardson (talk) 00:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Concerning the style, there are two successive phrases which begin exactly the same way: He would later relate that "I was a child prodigy who never got smarter."[8] He would later relate that he attended the Santa Monica Cotillon where child stars were encouraged to mix with ordinary children and through this met Shirley Temple, whom he danced with on one occasion.[9]. The Wiki ghost (talk) 06:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record: A Class should be given after an article was "reviewed by impartial reviewers from a WikiProject" per WP:ASSESS, which didn't happen here. Hekerui (talk) 11:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources issues: I am very dubious about the claim of this article to A-class. The referencing aspects need some fundamental attention:-

The Landis book, which accounts for about two-thirds of the citations, appears as "Further reading". It should be specified as a source.
Likewise the Hunter book. ("Further reading" is intended for relevant literature that is not a cited source within the article.)
Ref 2 needs proper formatting. The publisher should be given as glbtq, Inc (not the web address). As a more general point, online sources that are cited should not also be listed as "External links"
Ref 4 (and others apparently cited to a DVD): clarify what is being cited here. I imagine that since you give page references, this refers to a booklet accompanying the DVD; the citation needs to be specific.
Refs 15 and 18: why not format as per Ref 8?
Ref 22: formatting (author's name repeated)
Ref 68: needs a (subscription required) tag
Ref 69: needs formatting - publisher. etc. More specifically, why is this source considered reliable?
Ref 72: Why is this source considered reliable? (Bobby BeauSoleil)
Ref 85: lacks a publisher
Ref 86: needs formatting (publisher, retrieval date)
Ref 88: needs formatting (publisher, retrieval date) Also, why is this source considered reliable?
Ref 93: needs formatting (publisher, retrieval date) Also, why is this source considered reliable?
Ref 96: needs formatting (publisher, retrieval date)
Ref 97: needs formatting (publisher, retrieval date)
Page number ranges should use dashes, not hyphens
Ranges should be prefaced "pp." not "p."

Brianboulton (talk) 12:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—no dab links. Link to http://www.reel.com/reel.asp?node=features/interviews/anger is said to be an interview, but the target doesn't mention the interview. Ucucha 15:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've dealt with all of the dashes and page prefaces. The Anger interview can be found on the reel website page; I thought I'd edited to make it link directly rather than need to scroll down, I'll see what I can do. The name of the glbtq website is just that. The Technicolor Skull website is linked to on subject's official website. More to do, of course. Sir Richardson (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not plausible at this time - early close - The images are nowhere near ready please review WP:FA Criteria 3 , WP:IMAGES & WP:NFCC, and feel free to renominate in the future Fasach Nua (talk) 18:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose.
No references for any of the filmography, including claims that films are lost or unfinished.
No references for the most significant claims about themes in the films.
Given his long history and alleged influence on others such as Martin Scorsese, David Lynch and John Waters, there is a significant overreliance on the one biography. Where are the other sources that will speak to / confirm this influence? It does not seem appropriate to take the word of a single biographer for such a controversial figure. Virtually the whole article is sourced to Landis and to the DVD notes.
Significant claims lack sources, or lack quality sources. Egs.:

"...showed them to the British National Film Finance Corporation who agreed to provide £15,000 in order for Anger to complete it - something that caused a level of outrage in the British press" - no reference. I don't want Landis either: i want examples of the outrage in the press.
"the only movie soundtrack in history recorded inside a prison" - a very bold claim, but a poor source for it.

Minor but niggling prose issues throught. Egs.:

"he went to the Ford Foundation, who had just started a program..." not who: that
"The mid 1960s saw the arrival of the hippie scene..." It didn't come on a train. Emergence perhaps?
"Page subsequently agreed to produce the soundtrack for Lucifer Rising, and allowed to use the editing table..." allowed Anger to?

Don't think this is a goer, sorry. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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