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The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 19:55, 8 July 2017 [1].

Hooded pitohui

Nominator(s): Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another bird, this time from New Guinea, but this one is intriguing as it is the most poisonous bird in the world. Didn't know birds were poisonous? Neither did scientists really till they started looking at this one. It's had a thorough GAN and has plenty of detail about why sticking it in your mouth would be a bad idea. Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - I already looked at the image licensing/sourcing during the GA review, so I can say it all looks fine. FunkMonk (talk) 08:09, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Riley

Same thing as always. Note to coordinators, if I ever stop reviewing, consider this as a weak support or neutral if all of the comments are answered.

In the sentence "Within the oriole family the species is most closely related to the variable pitohui complex, and then the figbirds," two things are unclear. First, it is unclear whether the species complex is variable or whether it is referring to the variable pitohui (pause) complex. Next, it should be made a bit more clear which it is more closely related to.

Fixed. I actually cursed the lack of caps, but actually here even that wouldn't work! Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Make it more clear what leading means in the sentence "A social bird, it lives in family groups and frequently joins and even leads mixed-species foraging flocks."

Presumably leading means it leads? The meaning of leading isn't elaborated in the source text, but surely most people would understand lead.... it isn't technical! Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some oxford commas need to be removed, such as in the sentence "The adult has a black upperwing, head, chin, throat and upper breast, and a black tail."

Removed, but I can't find any others. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will do some more later. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 20:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused about the sentence "The species was long thought to be a whistler (Pachycephalidae), and related to other types of pitohui, however it is now known to be in the Old World oriole family (Oriolidae)." Could you specify what "other types of pitohui" are, as it is literally in the genus Pitohui. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 21:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. by removing the bit from the lead. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The call section should probably go into the description section, as it deals strictly with the morphology of the calls. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 21:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I never understand why though, this isn't a guidebook (although I have done it in the past myself). I'll do it if you insist though. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Indy

Should probably mention that it is the most poisonous bird in the world in the lead. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done, good catch. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Aa77zz

The article looks well prepared. A few comments:

"The species known as pitohuis were long thought to be similar due to being congeneric," - surely this should be the other way around - ie they were considered congeneric because they were similar. (I see this was brought up in the GA review)

Okay, I've reworded. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"with brown to black spots and blotches and faint grey patches over the larger end." This implies that the faint grey patches (and perhaps the black spots and blotches) are only at the larger end. Your cited source HBW alive has "grey patches all over or mainly at larger end". I think it would be worthwhile to cite the primary source for the egg data. Of the five eggs examined only one had most of the markings around the larger end. See:
- Parker, S.A. (1962). "Notes on some undescribed eggs from New Guinea". Bulletin of the British Ornithologists' Club. 82: 132–133.

Added, thanks.

I trawled through old sources looking for information on breeding. The only small fact I came up with is that the "The natal down is white in colour" see:
- Mayr, E.; Rand, A.L. (1937). The birds of the 1933–1934 Papuan Expedition. Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History. Vol. 73. pp. 1–248 [181-182].

Again, thanks, added. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- Aa77zz (talk) 07:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Another comment:[reply]

"The hooded pitohui is, with the variable pitohui complex, the most toxic species of bird.[14][17]" Is the hooded pitohui significantly more poisonous than the blue-capped ifrit (Ifrita kowaldi)? - Aa77zz (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't noticed that a comparison with this species wasn't mentioned in the text. I have no way of knowing if the ifrit is more poisonous or not, so have changed the wording slightly to reflect that uncertainty. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy. Supported above. - Aa77zz (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Jim

Interesting stuff, just a few comments follow for your considerationJimfbleak - talk to me? 15:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The close resemblance of this species to other unrelated pitohuis—I know this is explained later, but perhaps clearer as The close resemblance of this species to unrelated birds also named as pitohuis?

Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:03, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

They forage at all levels of the forest, from the forest floor to the canopy,[8] and are reported to forage in small groups, presumably of related birds.[28] The species also regularly joins mixed-species foraging flocks—too much foraging?

Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I get no sense of how much of the toxin is present in, say, the feathers, although it appears to have been measured. Any chance of a typical level in mg/g tissue or whatever is appropriate?

It can range a lot, and be almost undetectable in some instances. I could give an upper range, but would that mean much to people? Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:03, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Okay added some. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All looks good, changed to support above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Cas Liber

Taking a look now....

containing a range of batrachotoxin compounds in its skin, feathers and tissues - hmm, skin and feathers are tissues....maybe "containing a range of batrachotoxin compounds in its skin, feathers and other tissues"...?

Changed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In 1990 scientists preparing the skins of the hooded pitohui for museum collections experienced numbness and burning when handling hooded pitohui. - rephrase only mentioning bird once...?

Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It was later reported (1992) that .. - why not just say "In 1992 it was reported that "

Fixed Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~The nest that has been described was 2 m (6.6 ft) off the ground.~~ ~~- you wouldn't round off to 7 ft?~~

It's an automated template. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tried this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good trick to know. Sabine's Sunbird talk 09:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Otherwise~~ looking good and on-target for the shiney star...(wait, little shrikethrush possibly poisonous as well??!!) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and yup. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Dank

Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 23:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:15, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from Ealdgyth

I randomly googled three sentences and nothing showed up except mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no copyright violations.

Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:55, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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