Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Herman the Archdeacon/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 12 June 2022 [1].

Herman the Archdeacon

Nominator(s): Dudley Miles (talk) 20:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a man who did not have a Wikipedia article until recently even though he was important enough to have an Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article. Once I got into it, I found him a fascinating character. Mike Christie and Tim riley have given helpful feedback at Peer review. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Another fine article; I didn't have much to say at the peer review and have nothing to add now. How many Anglo-Saxon kings do you have left to bring to FAC, by the way? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Mike. There are 9 Anglo-Saxon kings to go and 3 Danish. However, that includes Alfred the Great, which I have so far copped out of as it is such a mammoth project. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:38, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image and source review—pass

Heavy reliance on Licence, but it looks like that's the main source that exists. I assume that the page numbers in Roman numerals are citing the introduction. No source checks done.
"Herman the Archdeacon... was probably born in Germany." The first sentence of an article usually summarizes the subject's importance. I would shift the birthplace information to the second paragraph and then add a paragraph break before "Herman was a colourful character". (t · c) buidhe 22:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Buidhe. I havve rearranged as you suggest and also added a sentence. Dudley Miles (talk) 07:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Herfast came into conflict with Baldwin, abbot of Bury St Edmunds Abbey over" - comma needed after Abbey
"Lanfranc, the Archbishop of Canterbury sent an" - need a comma after Canterbury
"sent an angry letter to Herfast, demanding [....] and concluding by demanding" - any way to avoid using "demanding" twice in the same sentence?
"according to Licence, "was to" - there's no closing quote mark later in this sentence, so it's unclear where the direct quotation ends
That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ChrisTheDude. All done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Tim riley

The few quibbles I had were thoroughly dealt with at the peer review, and on rereading the article I can find no more to carp about. It seems to me to meet all the FA criteria. A good read, well and widely sourced, balanced and comprehensive (as far as a layman can judge) and pleasingly illustrated. I look forward to seeing it on our front page. Tim riley talk 20:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

The dead tree sources look good to me --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 12:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Guerillero, just checking if this constitutes a source review pass? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild yes! - Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 08:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by JennyOz

Hello Dudley, I have a few questions and suggested links...

conflict with Baldwin, abbot of Bury St Edmunds Abbey, - Abbey already linked in previous sentence

Deleted. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Herfast's see was located - pipe wlink Episcopal see

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

both minsters had an income - pipewlink Minster (church)

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He occupied a senior position there, probably precentor, and perhaps from about 1095 prior - prior is unfortunate word, maybe a comma after 1095 would help?

Revised. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The abbey's most important relics - wlink relics

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

important relics were the bloody undergarments of the saint - bloody sounds like fresh blood? Maybe bloodstained or bloodied? (Maybe just me.)

Changed to bloodstained. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records the defeat - wlink

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

an advanced knowledge of Latin - poss wlink Medieval Latin

He would have known both.

which included Grecicisms - poss link to Grecicisms

Done - and corrected typo. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

and neologisms...Herman's -- ellipsis per Mos? ie {{nbsp}}...

Done -seems a bit odd to me but no point in arguing with MOS. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

with his inner Christian". [25] Summarising - remove space before ref

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

miracle collection...Nor were its - ellipsis
institutional histories...Although - ellipsis
in English affairs...Herman's - ellipsis

All done Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

abbacy of New Minster, Winchester for his father - add geocomma

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

her Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article - add italics

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the records of Norwich Cathedral, nor - wlink

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note c fos.623–677 - add space per others

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 38 Licence 2014. -page number/s?

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Winterbottom, Michael - editor-link Michael Winterbottom (academic)?

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cats - add Category:People from Bury St Edmunds?

Done - although I am not sure whether this is correct as he was not from Bury. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

incoming links - is there an appropriate place in Edmund the Martyr or Herfast, to link this article?

I will look at this. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I could find to comment on. Thanks, JennyOz (talk) 03:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks JennyOz. Replies above. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All looks fine to me. Nice to meet you! Thanks, JennyOz (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hog Farm _Talk 00:42, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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