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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 03:25, 13 January 2009 [1].

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Flag of Singapore

Nominator(s): User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)}

I'm nominating this article for featured article because after a several year effort with myself, User:Jacklee and User:Hildanknight, we feel this article shows the best work that a group of Singaporean (and one ang moh like myself) could create. We had several copy edits done after the article became a Good Article and still in the process of polishing the article before National Day of August 9, 2009. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

• That was one thing I also did after the nomination. Imagine all of the cool tools that we don't know about yet. I personally had to change a few links due to the redirection or location moves. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "a pentagon of five stars." – remove the period from the non-sentence
• "Civil and state flag." – same
• "featureds only one crown"
• "and the national anthem Majulah Singapura." – "and the national anthem "Majulah Singapura" ("Onward Singapore")." perhaps?
• "spoke oftalked about the creation of the national flag" – more straightforward
• "red symbolises "universal brotherhood and equality of man", and white, "pervading and everlasting purity and virtue"." – notice the commas I added. An alternative would be to add "symbolises" or a synonym after "white"
• "For the manufacture of flags" – Although this is grammatically correct, perhaps change to "For the manufacturing of flags" for less awkwardness
• "National Day (which falls on 9 August)." – "National Day, on 9 August."
• "flown – under certain conditions – " – spaced en dashes here, but unspaced em dashes are used earlier. Use only one style.
• "Until 2004, the flag" – "Previously, the flag" – and then – "That same year, these" – "In 2004, these"
• "flown – under certain conditions – year-round" – en dashes aren't even necessary. "flown under certain conditions year-round"
• "No person must treat the national flag with disrespect" – something like "The Singaporean government dictates that no person must treat the national flag with disrespect", or something along those lines; the following phrases will have to fit, also
• also, "No person must treat the national flag with disrespect" – shouldn't "must" be something like "is allowed to"?

Okay, that's it up to "In general". I'll get to the rest later. Gary King (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Gary for looking at this. If there is something I would like to contest, it is your second point. I understand from FOTW that Singapore's flag is 110000, so that means it is used as the Civil and the State flag. The code is at http://flagspot.net/flags/xf-fis.html#fiavcode. Everything else, I'm fixing now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

By "same", I mean that the period should be removed. Gary King (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

It's template based, so I need to change the infobox. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 16:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the period. Gary King (talk) 18:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on criterion 3

• File:Flag of Singapore.svg - Source link is broken.

• According to WP:IUP, "A good source for an image from a book is to provide all information about the book (Author, Title, ISBN number, page number(s), date of copyright, publisher information)". Could we get the rest of the information for National Symbols Kit? Awadewit (talk) 01:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • The author is the Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts, copyright date is the publishing date of 2001. I used to have the box for the kit, but I don't have the ISBN number on hand. The page is Page 5. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• File:Flag of Singapore (1946-1959).svg - We need a reliable source for this image.

• Can you tell me why this site is reliable? It looks like user-generated site. Awadewit (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I removed the image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• File:Standard of the President of Singapore.svg - We need a reliable source for this image.
• File:Civil Ensign of Singapore.svg - We need a reliable source for this image.

• Could you link to the HTML page, instead of directly to the GIF, per WP:IUP? Awadewit (talk) 01:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Done. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• File:Naval Ensign of Singapore.svg - Can you tell me why this site is reliable?

• This is now linked to this site, which looks user-generated. Why is it reliable? Awadewit (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • This section we link to the law that demands the construction of the flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• File:Government Ensign of Singapore.svg - I await the answer on the source from above.

• Same as above. Awadewit (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
  • This section we link to the law that demands the construction of the flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully, these issues are easy to resolve. I look forward to striking this oppose soon. Awadewit (talk) 03:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

• • Fixing now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Fixed. The Singapore flag doesn't have a construction sheet detail from the government, but they do mention what color to use in the article. I linked the Last three flags construction sheets based on official laws or description of the laws. The historical flags I linked to a place where they show the badge in detail, and the Istana for the President's flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
    • I removed the problem images until this is sorted out. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support - I copyedited the article a couple weeks ago, and after a thorough review of the prose, I feel it meets the criteria. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 04:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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