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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 16 February 2023 [1].

Doc Savage (magazine)

Nominator(s): Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the magazine that started the Doc Savage franchise. Doc Savage never became as famous as The Shadow, but the magazine was very successful, lasting over 180 issues. It was mostly the work of one man, Lester Dent. As with most pulp fiction, the prose is poor, but Dent made up for the writing style by stuffing his stories full of enough plot elements to fill several novels. The franchise is alive to this day, but that's covered in Doc Savage; this article covers just the original magazine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass (t · c) buidhe 18:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SC

I always enjoy reading your articles, so delighted to be back to see this one. As always, most of these are suggestions rather than anything more, so I will leave them for your consideration. Any comments relating to punctuation should be taken with a pinch of salt: my grasp of US comma use is as strong as my grasp of nuclear physics, so don't take anything I say on that point as having any solid backing.

Thanks! Re commas, decades on both sides of the Atlantic have corrupted my sense of the difference between US and British English, so I'm always willing to believe I'm wrong. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:00, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Should there be a comma after "publication"?
"Dent himself had a low opinion of his work": I don't think we need the "himself"

Publishing history

"movie star": the film project try and avoid "movie" as being a slang term and go for "film star" or "actor" instead
"Street & Smith hired John Nanovic that year to edit The Shadow the two of them collaborated on the concept": not sure we need "that year", but I think a comma after The Shadow would help.
"back up for Dent": back-up? (I'm as strong on US hyphen use as I am on their comma use...)

First part (to the end of Publishing history) done; more to come. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ps. A couple of minor spelling edits done here. - SchroCat (talk) 11:39, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing

Contents and reception

"between Ralston, Nanovic and Dent": You tend to favour the serial comma in most places, so the lack of one here stood out a bit for me (you may want to give an overall check for this – I have probably missed a few)
"6,000 word story" -> "6,000-word story"

Bibliographic details

Summer / Fall (also in the IB): is there any way of avoiding these? If they were the official release names, then I guess not, but it would be good if possible.

That's my lot. Another really interesting read. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. All done except that I'm not sure what you mean by the comment about "Summer / Fall" -- are you asking if the capitalization is appropriate? If so, I had to get clarification recently at the MOS pages; it's MOS:SEASON that says magazine issues dated with a season should have an initial upper case. These dates did appear on the magazines' mastheads and covers -- see here for example. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:00, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was more to do with the use of the term rather than the capitalisation, but if these appear on the masthead, then there's no problem. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 14:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Lovely piece of work. - SchroCat (talk) 14:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7

I've reformatted the ISBN13s to a consistent format.

Link Robert Weinberg (author)?

Support Looks good. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Linked Weinberg; didn't realize he had an article. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review pass, and support, from BennyOnTheLoose

Sources are all suitable and reliable. I researched Murray a bit, as his work is relied on so much here, and am satisfied that he's appropriate.
Spot checks on Murray (1983) The lead novel for the first issue .... an archaeologist and geologist and Between the September/October 1947 and September/October 1948 issues a subtitle was added: Doc Savage: Science Detective - no issues
Spot check on These appeared under the house name Wallace Brooker; the stories were mostly written by Donovan and Norman Daniels, with a handful contributed by Bogart and Davis. - supported by "Index by Series: Page 10", Galactic Central, although it looks like Bogart only contributed one. To me, the phrase "with a handful contributed by Bogart and Davis" suggests that both wrote several, but I won't demand a change to the text as they did jointly contribute a handful.
Spot check on Cox (1983): Ralston resurrected Carter in Nick Carter Magazine, with the first issue dated March 1933 - no issues.
Spot check on Reynolds (1955): The magazine was quickly successful, soon reaching 200,000 in circulation - no issues.
I didn't detect any issues with formatting.
Pass for source review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a support as I have no other concerns about the article meeting the criteria. I added a non-breaking space based on my reading of MOS:ELLIPSIS; feel free to revert this if it was in error. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review and support. Re "a handful": I phrased it that way to avoid having to say exactly how many each of the two wrote, so your interpretation is how I was hoping people would read it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Sturmvogel_66

I collected all of the reprint books that I could find when I was a teenager.
Not seeing any issues on my first pass; I'll wait a few days before another.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sturm ? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:06, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- - Not much, but perhaps a link to ghost written?
  - Bogart's novels were subcontracted through Dent, but independently of Dent Street & Smith hired Alan Hathway as another ghost-writer in 1939 I'd suggest moving "independently of Dent Street & Smith" to the end of the sentence. Otherwise this is good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:46, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Both changes made. Thanks for the review. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:51, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - Supporting--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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