Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Artur Phleps/archive1

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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 10:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC) [1].

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Artur Phleps

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• Featured article candidates/Artur Phleps/archive1

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because it recently successfully underwent GAN and MILHIST A-Class review and was expanded and enhanced during those reviews using a number of mainly German language sources. Phleps served in three armies, in two wars, was an SS Corps commander in the Balkans and was posthumously awarded the Oak Leaves to his Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross. While under his command, the 7th SS Division earned a reputation for savagery and committed numerous war crimes against the Yugoslav population. He was famously photographed with Kurt Waldheim (later UN Secretary-General and President of Austria) during Case Black in Montenegro. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

A few comments, not a complete review:

• First sentence, "a Austro-Hungarian": an ...
• "reaching the rank of Generalleutnant (major general) and also became": comma before "and"
• "after he was killed in September 1944, a posthumous award": redundant; delete one part or the other.
• "third son of ... his mother Sophie": third son of ... Sophie
• "he transferred to the staff of the 13th Infantry Regiment at Esseg in Slavonia, and the 6th Infantry Division in Graz.": Maybe a "then" after the "and". - Dank (push to talk) 21:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Dan, all addressed. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Image review

• Why do the second set of flags link to image descriptions and the first set to articles?

• It might just be me and a lack of knowledge of flag templates. I've fixed the Kingdom of Romania ones, but the Austro-Hungarian Army and SS ones don't seem to have flag templates that go to the relevant article.

• File:Phleps.jpg: what is the original source/creator of this image? The "unique historical image" tag is tricky, as it's usually only allowed when the image is the subject of commentary in the article

• I have replaced it with a different pic with a historic portrait NFR. Can you check it please?

• Still using the "unique historical image" tag, with creator/status unknown...which unfortunately doesn't solve the problems of the last image, unless you can find more information or a different tag that might apply. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry, I'm not sure I fully understand all this, but I have added some more information about where the photograph was taken and the date, as well as the fact that it is very likely it was taken by a German military photographer. I assume that means that the relevant copyright resides with the photographer, was extended to 70 pma in Germany before the date of restoration, and is therefore copyrighted in the US too? Do I need to use a "Non-free biog-pic" copyright tag instead of the "Non-free historic image" one?

• Yes and yes, given the information you've presented. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Done

• File:Kirchenburg_Birthälm.jpg: as Romania does not have freedom of panorama, you need to include licensing for the building as well as the photo

• So does that mean I can use PD-art-70-3d with an additional statement as follows: "Per [2], copyright protection in Romania expires 70 years after the death of the original author (who is defined as the creator or designer). The lack of Freedom of Panorama (FOP) is no longer relevant for states with no formal FOP since the author's works are now copyright free. The church depicted in this image was built in the Middle Ages, and it can be reasonably assumed the creator or designer of the church died centuries ago."?

• Yes, that's fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Done.

• File:Artur_Phleps_and_Kurt_Waldheim.jpg: can you give more info on the NYT publication? Date, page?

• added name of article and journalist.

Nikkimaria (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

• support I reviewed this at milhist A-Class and have nothing to add to this article at the time. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks MB! Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support -- Copyedited/reviewed/supported at MilHist ACR and, having checked alterations made since then, I believe it meets the FAC criteria for structure, prose, referencing, coverage/neutrality, and supporting materials. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 03:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 04:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support Comments
  • The transition between the evacuation in January and the criticism thereof and the award of the German Cross in Gold in June is a bit abrupt. What did he win the medal for and what did he do during the time in between?
    • I've moved it, I don't have the text to hand to clarify if the reason for the award is provided (other than as corps commander) per the awards section.
      • Ok, that's better, but what did the corps do in the first half of '44?
        • Added three operations, two with links.
  • Where is St. Paul? And Oxford?
    • Done.
  • Fix the title of Kumm
    • It's verbatim off the inside title page. What do you mean?
      • Capitalize "history". There's a deplorable tendency nowadays to ignore title case in titles. Damn kids! Get off my lawn! (shaking my cane at'em)
        • Day'um. Done.
  • Need an ISBN or OCLC # for Schulz
    • Done.

--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Support Comments:

• The rather long rank at the top of the infobox, in my opinion, detracts from Phleps' name and seems rather unnecessary given that the rank appears right next to the infobox in the lead and is then mentioned in the appropriate section of the infobox. So, I think this can be safely removed.
  • Fair enough, done.
• Is it known why Phleps was awarded the Iron Cross in 1917? Same for his World War II awards?
  • No, it is rare for such detail to be available about what were really quite low-level awards issued in huge numbers.
    • I figured as much, but thought I would ask anyway. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
• The title of Phleps' 1926 book should probably be mentioned.
  • Done.
• What specifically did Phleps criticise of the government policy?
  • I've added a bit from Kaltenegger, but it isn't clear what the specifics were.
• Who did he ask permission from to leave Romania? The Government? If so, why did he require their permission?
  • have added some material that fleshes it out a bit.
• How did Operation Kopaonik end with little success?
  • Added.
• Is it known when Phleps married? Or are there any further personal details about him available?
  • No, what we have is what we've got, even the Austrian Encyclopedia of Biography doesn't give any.
    • As above, thought I would ask to confirm. :) Abraham, B.S. (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

• All done, let me know what you think of the aditions? Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 04:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
  • All of my concerns have been addressed and I am confident that the article meets the FA criteria, so I am happy to support. Nice work! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Graham Colm (talk) 19:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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