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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 25 September 2021 [1].

2021 Tour Championship

Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 2021 edition of the Tour Championship snooker event. All previous events are at FA class, so looking forward to any comments you might have on this iteration. Thanks for your time.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by FormalDude

Not sure the very first sentence in the lead needs commas.
- removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps show USD or EURO in addition to GBP since it was a world tournament.
- I'd never really thought about this before, but MOS:CURRENCY suggests this isn't the consensus. It would be suitable for if it were a less well known currency (other than the ones you've listed). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly incorporate more from the summary into the lead section.
Really great job on the sources. Everything appears verified and properly referenced, though I'm not quite an expert on FA citation formatting.
- Grand news. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Really good attention and diligence paid to the MOS as well.

Overall I think this article is well on its way to FA! ––FormalDude talk 20:25, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FormalDude, thanks ever so much for your comments. I've left some replies. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FormalDude, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gog the Mild: I fully support this article's nomination for FA status. ––FormalDude talk 03:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by GhostRiver

FormalDude noted this, but no commas needed in the first sentence
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First sentence of the "quarter-finals" section should be in past-tense to flow with the rest
- Good catch. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No comma needed after "almost pulled out of the event"
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"sending it to be repaired twice" → "and he had sent it for repairs twice"
- Slightly different wording, but same ideal. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"In frame 17 after O'Sullivan suffered a kick he whacked" → "In frame 17, after O'Sullivan suffered a kick, he whacked"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No comma needed after "Wilson won the opening frame"
- Done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No comma needed after "with breaks of 70 and 90"
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"where he misjudged the path of a red ball and was bested"
- done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
and led 4–0 after a break of 77 in the next. unclear subject of this clause
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Robertson, however" comma needed after
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that there should be an en dash or a colon to separate the break numbers from the participants in the "century breaks" section

That's all from me! — Ghost River 23:25, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- I've gone ahead and added this. There is an outstanding discussion at WT:SNOOKER#Century lists punctuation, which suggested we should have something, but no real resolution as to what that would be. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Looks good now, support from me! — Ghost River 12:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Urve

Is there a reason that you are using location in some references but not others? BBC Sport does not have one but ref spor_Neil does (both using cite web)
- WebRef autogenerated it. I've removed it from the Sporting Life refs (but retained for Snooker Scene as a magazine publication location) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some reference titles are capitalized and some are not - purposeful?
- I just retain whatever capitalisation there is on the work. So long as there isn't any shouting Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some reference titles contain website information - is that best practice? (I don't know, hence my question.) The Årdalen reference has "- snooker.org" appended to it, while Livie from Eurosport does not have something similar
- No, they should have been gotten. Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
known as the 2021 Cazoo Tour Championship for sponsorship reasons - maybe I missed it, but being named this way because of the sponsorship is not stated in the article
- Added to body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The players qualified for the series by virtue of their placement on the one-year ranking list (the ranking points won over the course of the 2019–20 season), rather than by their world ranking positions and the following sentence are not directly supported by their references - they speak about the Coral series. Is that the same as this? I am having trouble supporting qualification criteria in 2021 from 2018, but maybe they didn't change.
- The Coral series is the three events - World Grand Prix, Players Championship and the Tour Championship. The rules it being qualification by one-year list is true for all three. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The tournament was primarily broadcast by ITV4 in the United Kingdom - reference does not seem to support this, only says ITV4 is a broadcaster from my reading
- Changed to "Domestic", which is what I was getting at.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jordan Brown was the ninth ranked player, acted as the first travelling reserve for the event -> Jordan Brown was the ninth ranked player, [so/and] acted as the first travelling reserve for the event or Jordan Brown was the ninth ranked player, acting as the first travelling reserve for the event
- Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
however, Robertson won the next three frames to lead 9–4 - comma extraneous?
- I thought you always had to have a comma after However... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"commented" is a good word for dialogue but may be repeated too much here
- Indeed, I used it 5 time, which I agree is a lot. I've taken out two of these, any better? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
sometimes you precede a quote with a semicolon and sometimes with no punctuation - consistency?
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty good article - out of my wheelhouse but enjoyable to read. Plan to support - going on vacation so ping me if you address or answer these. Urve (talk) 07:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks for this, I'll take a look at this in a mo. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hi Urve thanks for the review! I think I've covered everything above Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Urve, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Gog the Mild - back from vacation now. I took a look over the edits and the article once more, and I don't see anything concerning, so I support promotion. Perhaps one last thing to consider is that the city of Newport is not mentioned in the body, only in captions, tables, and the infobox - but this does not particularly matter to me, as it's not controversial that the hosting Resort is in Newport. Urve (talk) 05:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Urve. Re Newport, if it is mentioned in the infobox, then it should be in the article. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have suitably added this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

Will do over the next couple days. Hog Farm _Talk 04:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You sure you've got the right URL for ref 9? It seems kinda weird for a significant webpage to have a deadlink related to page from this year
- I have gone ahead and removed it. I couldn't find where that link has gone. It's all covered by the other ref regardless. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are all reliable
No serious formatting issues standing out to me

Spot checks:

"O'Sullivan won the opening frame, before a century break by Robertson tied the match 1–1" - I think this is fine, although I got tied up in parts of the snooker jargon in the source
"O'Sullivan suggested that Hawkins deserved to win the match "He deserved to win. I feel for Barry, he's been grafting at his game, and he's been unlucky in a few results. He deserved that victory. It's a horrible way to lose, but hopefully he can respond from that."" - verified direct quote
"There were 23 century breaks made during the tournament." - Something's wrong with this source - the live link redirects to a home page, and the archive link looks like a too early archive date was used, as it just reads "There are currently no century breaks available. Please check again later."
"The event took place at the Celtic Manor Resort in Newport, South Wales between 22 and 28 March 2021" - Source doesn't mention Newport by name, but that's probably subject-specific obvious matter
"The event had a prize fund of £380,000, with the winner receiving £150,000." - checks out
"Robertson claimed that Lisowski would need a "killer instinct" to improve his game going forward" - checks out

Not seeing issues here, although that busted link for the century break should be corrected if possible, as it's currently not possible to verify that the source actually contains that information. Hog Farm _Talk 04:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hog Farm - thanks for picking this up! I have fixed the two issues you have discussed, hopefully that's all you need :). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Rose - this one is on three supports and a source review. Any chance of putting another one on the list, or does this need to wait for the image review? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, go ahead. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review – Pass

File:The Resort Hotel, Celtic Manor Resort.jpg – Fine to use. Source clearly states that it is licenced for re-use under CC 2.0. We probably should have ALT text for this one.
File:Ronnie O’Sullivan at Snooker German Masters (DerHexer) 2015-02-06 07.jpg – Fine to use. Own work of a commons user.
File:Barry Hawkins at Snooker German Masters (Martin Rulsch) 2014-01-29 03.jpg – Fine to use. Own work of a commons user.
File:Neil Robertson 2010.jpg – Fine to use. Own work of a commons user.

Pass for Image review. Any comments for this nomination would be appreciated. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Z1720

Non-expert prose review.

"It also aired on Sky Sport in New Zealand, NowTV in Hong Kong, and Superstars Online in China; and DAZN across the Americas, Germany, Italy and Spain." It's weird how there are commas throughout the list, then it changes to a semi-colon at the end. Perhaps, "It also aired on Sky Sport in New Zealand, NowTV in Hong Kong, Superstars Online in China, and DAZN across the Americas, Germany, Italy, and Spain."
- I've changed the punctuation somewhat. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Higgins won the opening frame with a break of 72, before O'Sullivan won the next two frames to lead 2–1.[15] Higgins made the first century break of the event in frame four, and the pair remained tied at 3–3.[15] O'Sullivan won the final two frames of the session to lead 5–3.[15]" Is there a purpose for the same citation three times in a row? Consider removing the extra footnotes in the spirit of WP:OVERCITE (although OVERCITE is an essay so this change will not influence my support)
- I tend to cite every sentence in an FA, unless all of the info in a paragraph comes from a single/set of sources. That way you know exactly what is being sourced where. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are other instances where OVERCITE might apply, like with ref 17, 32, 38, and 43, so I will wait until there's a response above about this. If the change above is made per OVERCITE, I suggest doing the same thing with these, too
- See above Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Wilson won frame five with a break of 83; but Selby won the remaining three frames of the first session, despite a break of 50 by Wilson in frame seven." Either change the semi-colon to a comma (recommended) or remove the word "but"
- Changed to comma. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"After the match, O'Sullivan suggested that Hawkins deserved to win the match "He deserved to win. I feel for Barry, he's been grafting at his game, and he's been unlucky in a few results. He deserved that victory. It's a horrible way to lose, but hopefully he can respond from that."" The reader is told three times in this section that O'Sullivan thought Hawkins deserved to win. Maybe cut the first sentence of the quote.
- Made the change. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those are my thoughts. Please ping when I can take a second look. Z1720 (talk) 00:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720, thanks for taking a look, I have made the changes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments have been addressed. I support. Z1720 (talk) 23:28, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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