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1989 World Snooker Championship

Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the sixth world snooker championship won by Steve Davis, and, to quote Clive Everton, "such was his dominance that it would have been impossible to predict with confidence that he would never win the title again." John Parrott won only three frames in the final, against Davis's 18. Thanks in advance for any suggestions to improve the article. I'm able to provide copies of offline sources on request. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image licensing is acceptable (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski

I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.

As I did the GA review previously, you can see previous comments there.

Lede

WPBSA isn't used again in the lede, so no need to state the acronym. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like the winner/defending champion is more integral to the event than the qualifying round. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Re-organised. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Probably worth mentioning how many total participants there was. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like something mentioning that there was four sessions in the final, and Davis won so well that there was no final session. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it "World Championship" or "world championship"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

The breakdown of prize money for the 1989 championship - I feel the 1989 is implied Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifying matches took place at Preston Guild Hall from 22 March to 4 April 1989,[21] for 126 players, 16 of whom reached the main stage, where they met the 16 invited seeded players - could probably split into two sentences. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add that the qualifying matches were best of 19? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Body doesn't mention Embassy at all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Three-time champion John Spencer lost 1–10 to Steve Duggan, who in an earlier round had eliminated another former champion, Fred Davis.[10 - could we reword this to celebrate Duggans wins, rather than the champions losses? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

quarter-finals could do with a bit more commentary. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded this slightly, but there doesn't seem to be much coverage of these other than around the Meo/Reynolds controversy. I could add some more match progress/frame score info. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I like to link the people in captions of images. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TRM

"The winner received..." seems odd to say it like this since you've already named the winner...

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"These competitors in the main tournament... The top 16 players in the world rankings automatically ..." feels like you're saying the same thing twice.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image captions all look like complete sentences so need full stops.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"imposed by the WPBSA for" overlinked.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would link beta blocker.

Linked. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"In the final round" qualifying.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"played Steve Newbury" do we need to repeat first names if the surname is unambiguous?

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It may need rewording to avoid a sea of blue but I imagine we should link "fluked".

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"third to 20th" third/twentieth or 3rd/20th.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"7-10" en-dash.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"match-ball pots" what are they?

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"the FA Cup semi-final" you can link the actual FA Cup edition.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

" Nottingham Forest F.C. and Liverpool F.C.." drop the F.C.'s which helpfully removes that double full stop.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Hallett compiled a 133 break when 2–12 behind, and lost " and feels odd, "but" might seem better.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"re-spotted black" explain/link for non-experts.

Linked. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I note you link yellow (ball) but not the other colours/red? (Oh, apart from pink)

Links are already at "slightly touching a red ball", and "match-ball pots on the black". Green, brown and blue aren't mentioned. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

" best-of-35 frames " hyphen between 35 + frames.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

" in-off" again, jargon needs link/explanation.

Linked. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"equal Ray Reardon's total" first name again?

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Snooker historian Clive Everton" well he was a player first... Indeed he played in this tournament!

We're spoilt for choice for decriptions of Everton. He was a leading billiards amateur from the early 1950s, has been a journalist/editor since at least the mid-1960s (I think he had articles in The Billiard Player even in the 50's), a TV commentator, and author. His book The Story of Billiards and Snooker was published in 1979, about two years before he became a professional player. I used "snooker historian" as that's the role the quote is in, but happy to add a note that he played too. How about something like ",who played in the qualifying rounds of the tournament," ? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think that would be apt. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I don't see the utility in repeating the frame scores on either side of the table summary, I think that's just plain confusing.

How about if I change this to the template used at 1985 World Snooker Championship? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've done that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be worth mentioning the referee in the prose, not just in the table summary.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"19 century breaks in the" overlinked.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

""by Stephen Hendry" overlinked.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would put a colon after each century score list, looks a bit odd without.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"by Darren Morgan" overlinked.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ISBN formats should be consistent.

All now ISBN-13. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 5, BBC News not linked?

Linked. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 39, isn't that BBC News?

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 8, no need for wpbsa.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some works are linked more than once, some not at all, what's the strategy?

That's all I have at the moment. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your review, The Rambling Man. I have some work to do on the last of the points above, but in the meantime would appreciate your feedback on the following:

The rewording of the part that previously included "match-ball pots"
How to describe Clive Everton in the article
Suitable template for the final. I also really dislike the two sets of scores, but that seems to have been accepted in other articles that have been through FA.

I've changed the template used now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just responded on the Everton query, sorry for taking so long to get back. Happy to support. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Z1720

Consider me a non-expert.

Prose Review

I don't have any major problems with the prose. I fixed some minor things in the article myself, which I invite you to review. If reverted, please mention it here and why.

Looks good, thank you. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the lede to ensure that all the information there was in the article body. Here are some thoughts:

"(also referred to as the 1989 Embassy World Snooker Championship for sponsorship reasons)" While the Embassy sponsorship is mentioned, the alternate name is not mentioned in the article and thus not cited. Perhaps this can be included after, "The 1989 championship was sponsored by cigarette brand Embassy." in Overview

Amended slightly in lead as although "Embassy World Snooker Championship" appears frequently in sources talking about the 1989 event, "1989 Embassy World Snooker Championship" doesn't as far as I can see. Also added into article body. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"The tournament was broadcast in the United Kingdom by the BBC" I couldn't find this fact in the article's body.

Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Since my comments above are minimal, I will also conduct a source review. Spotchecks not done. Version reviewed

Why does ref 3 have a quote from the source, when the other citations do not?

Removed for consistency. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 1 doesn't use the page number in the body of the article, but ref 7 does, creating [7]:105. Your book references should use one consistent referencing style.

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to find much information on Benson and Hedges Snooker Year or its publisher. Why is this a high-quality source?

the first couple of editions were edited by Clive Everton, long time editor of Snooker Scene. Later editions, including the one used here, were edited by Terry Smith, who was a sports journalist for The Daily Mirror and The Daily Telegraph, editor of Pot Black, a cue sports magazine, and author of other books. Pelham was an imprint of Michael Joseph Ltd (see here), which had been acquired by Penguin Books in 1985. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am satisfied with this and am no longer concerned with this source. Z1720 (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Ref 56 a high-quality source?

Chris Turner was a statistician who worked for reputable sources like Eurosport; but as an alternative was easily available, I've substituted a different source. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who published ref 65, and why is it a high-quality source?

I've changed the source. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the review, Z1720. I've replied above. Let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns have been addressed and I can now support. Great work. Z1720 (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your help in improving the article, Z1720. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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