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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Protests in Spain

• ... that wealth generated by tourism in Barcelona is claimed to be a reason for increased social inequality, causing activists to protest against overtourism?

This is incoherent because wealth in Barcelona specifically is not adequate to explain protests in places like the Canary Islands, over a thousand miles away. And the complaint is not the wealth per se but its alleged iniquitable distribution. The hook has numerous other issues including WP:WEASEL, WP:CLAIMED, WP:RECENTISM and WP:NEOLOGISM. And it's not a definite fact that is unlikely to change per WP:DYKHOOK as the protests and politics are trying hard to change things.

A more definite hook for this issue is

• ... that protestors in Spain shot tourists with water pistols?

See BBC, CNN, Washington Post, etc. for this popular aspect of the story.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Pinging nominator Kingsif. SL93 (talk) 08:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I mean, hooks don't have to be applicable to the entire article, I don't think anyone is going to assume that the wealth equity divide in Barcelona is relevant to the Canaries, that's just looking for a problem. I'd also like to know what Andrew thinks is causing those other issues, too, bearing in mind the need for concision insofar as "claimed" is concerned. Like, especially saying there's a recentism issue when the protests are (shock) recent — you could level that against many DYK hooks if you wanted. But it is a definite fact, these protests were caused for that reason, that's not going to change. Andrew's issues aren't real issues.

All that being said, I don't really care what hook gets run, feel free to discuss among yourselves which one to use. Kingsif (talk) 10:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Glass eye

• ... that New York Mets executive Jay Horwitz did not publicly reveal that he had a glass eye until he was in his 70s?

Oddly (and improperly), someone chose to add the word "publicly" before "reveal." That's simply not what the source says; nor was it in the proposed hook, which was accurate. The source says "Having one glass eye is something he never revealed until now."" The word "publicly" should be removed, to be true to the RS ref .. pretty much WP 101.

2603:7000:2101:AA00:84F5:FEA5:49CC:5E0 (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

That was done here two days ago:

"... that New York Mets executive Jay Horwitz did not reveal that he had a glass eye until he was in his 70s?" - revealed to whom? His eye was removed in sixth grade, so presumably his parents knew, as well as whoever sold him the glass eye, and any optician giving him an eye test over the years. DuncanHill (talk) 12:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for the report. I've added "publicly" to the hook. RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Here's what the man himself said about this:

I was born with glaucoma, and had a blue eye and a green eye. Naturally, kids in grammar school could be pretty cruel. They made fun of me and I was subject to a lot of ridicule. So in about fifth or sixth grade, I went to a great eye doctor and he said, “Listen, if you don’t take the right eye out, the glaucoma could spread to the left eye.” So I had the surgery and they put in an artificial eye. Up until when I finally decided I was going to write this book, I was always embarrassed to tell people I had an artificial eye.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

And he said something about his glaucoma to the WSJ in 2011 when he was 66 but that's behind a paywall for me. Note that he calls it an "artificial eye" as ocular prosthesis says that these are normally made of plastic rather than glass. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

We follow the RSs. We have the man's own words. It's a bit odd that an editor would assert that "he" revealed to "whoever sold him" the glass eye (or to his parents, or optician doing an exam of him) that he had a glass eye. That "presumably" makes little sense. The doctor inserting the eye doesn't have to be told by the patient that now he has a glass eye. Nor do the parents have to be told - they bring their child in for the operation and arrange payment for it of course. The word "publicly" wasn't in the RS, wasn't in what he said, and the "rationale" for putting words in the man's mouth is .. unconvincing. Let's stick with wp values, and follow the RS, rather than make things up based on baseless supposition. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:84F5:FEA5:49CC:5E0 (talk) 09:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

And yes - as our article on ocular prosthesis states in its very first sentence, it is called variously: "An ocular prosthesis, artificial eye or glass eye." They all refer to the same thing.2603:7000:2101:AA00:84F5:FEA5:49CC:5E0 (talk) 09:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

No they don't. Artificial eye is imprecise as it also covers to visual prosthesis. WP:COMMONNAME likely suggests we stick to glass eye. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I agree we should keep glass eye because in addition to what the WP article says, and commonname, it is the phrase that was used in the source itself. The problem with the hook is not at all that. It was the addition of the word publicly. With what we now know, from the above, was a strange assumption of "I the editor believe the boy must have told his parents .. when of course parents know this information from the surgeon when they send their child in to surgery. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:84F5:FEA5:49CC:5E0 (talk) 21:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

"I was always embarrassed to tell people I had an artificial eye" does not say he never revealed it to anyone. It says he was embarrassed to tell people about it. DuncanHill (talk) 21:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(August 16)

Monday's FL

(August 12, tomorrow)

• "with at least 482 recorded since 1891" - list has been updated (by the FL nominator) from 482 to 488. JennyOz (talk) 10:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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