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Hi, thanks for the notice. I'm very new to wikipedia so I did not know the exact rules for editing. I knew that copyrighted material wasn't allowed, but I thought it did not apply to Britannica since it was an encyclopedia.

The reason I used that material is that because there were noticeable holes in the article. I don't know and remember what I took from Britannica. Is there any way to see what you removed so I can rewrite it with my own words? Also when rewriting can you tell me what I should keep in mind? Thanks once again in advance. Zlad! (talk) 19:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can send you the removed content via email but you will have to activate your Wikipedia email first.

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I'm sorry, I didn't see your message and edited the article with what I thought was missing. I tried my best, but after reading your response there may be 1 or 2 places where the wording is quite close. I liked Britannica as a source as it was very straightforward, objective, and chronological and perfect for wiki.

I'm planning to work on this article for the following week or so and may alter stuff in places. I'd appreciate feedback on how I used the Britannica article and I will keep your advice for the all my future edits. I think I activated my Wikipedia email and would appreciate you emailing me removed content. Zlad! (talk) 22:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you the removed material via email. You can use our comparison tool to check your addition: here. There's still a 20% overlap with the source but it was not enough to trigger another CopyPatrol report. But you could do some further cleanup — Diannaa (talk) 12:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! What tools can I use to check for overlap? Zlad! (talk) 13:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ — Diannaa (talk) 13:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. The articles for the Georgian political parties are incredibly lacking and the ideologies provided are already unsourced and wrong. If you are deleting me correcting the ideologies, then you should remove them all together. This is a giant double standard and helps spread misinformation. Zlad! (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add or change content, as you did at New Rights Party, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on Georgian political parties wikipedia pages. As for New Rights Party the ideology says "Liberal conservatism", which is a centre-right ideology. The party merged into Lelo, which is a centre to centre-right group. It is entirely correct to have centre-right there.

As for Democratic Movement – United Georgia the ideology again says Conservatism and Economic nationalism. Even if you did not know much about the party before hand, this spells out that the party is right-wing.

I can provide explanations for all the ideological changes I've made to the parties pages and in the following days weeks and maybe months I'll try to update those pages with sources, however, for the time being I think it is necessary to change ideologies / positions to more reflect reality rather than what the party may want you to think as was the case with the Alliance of Patriots when it was labeled Centre-right to Right-wing, when it is in actually far-right, but as with most far-right parties they try to project a moderate image, example: le pen. Zlad! (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Girchi

If you have time, could remove sections that refer to the party using its own website as a reference? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 08:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kind of insane you accuse me of edit warring here lol. I reverted the edit just once and provided reasons, while the other editor is using literal party website for sources and sources that don't even back up what they state. Zlad! (talk) 12:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is not that I think their official website is a good source for objective information. The problem is that you write your subjective opinion, which is actually a lie, and in this case, the subjective opinion of their OWN party is more objective and closer to the truth than yours, because you don't know the issue. They know their party better than you do. You basically just made up some things on your own mind.

My claims are as follows.

That Girchi claims to be a right-wing party, yet supposedly supports MANY left-wing ideas is simply false. You apparently don't understand the principles on which this party stands. They believe that a man's body is his property, and therefore they are against taking a man into the army against his will, forbidding him to trade in his body, or forbidding him to use drugs. The left does NOT agree with this. They have public debates with leftists on this topic all the time. The left does not consider a person's body to be their property like their car for example. You know why? Because that's the RIGHT LIBERTARIAN idea. These Girchi positions come from their right-wing libertarian theory. If you don't know that, then don't mislead people. According to this logic, every libertarian party is social left-wing, for example La Libertad Avanza. That's nonsense

Another lie is that supposedly Girchi is a soft еurosceptic party.

Girchi positions itself as a pro-European party. Furthermore, they believe that they are the most pro-European party in Georgia. They had debates with pro-russian politicians where they defended that Georgia should join the European Union. In the EU as well as in the world there are disagreements on different issues and they are against leftist politicians in the world and in the EU as well. If you think that if they are against various regulation it means they are a soft eurosceptic party, you are wrong and that is a lie. In any case it is your opinion which is not the same as the party's position. You are not going to lie and mislead people, saying that a party that FULLY supports European integration is softly Eurosceptic

We may not bring back the text from their official site, you can keep almost everything you wrote except the following lies.

My demands:

Remove "soft euroscepticism". That's a lie.

Remove "center-left" from the political position, and the line from the main text about them supposedly supporting many leftist ideas. That's a lie. They hate leftist ideas. It's about this line - "Despite commonly being categorized as a right-wing party, it supports many left-wing social policies."

Bring back "minarchism", "fiscal conservatism" and "economic liberalism" in political positions.

That's it. That's all my humble demands. Just clean up the lies I've found. And Better fact-checking from now on. I realize you're lying unintentionally maybe. 213.200.31.125 (talk) 15:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly you do not understand how the left-right political spectrum works. All of what you mentioned falls on the left-wing of the social axis. Also it’s not my opinion, check the sources that are provided. I think Fiscal: right-wing Social: Centre-left is completely factual, but I’m willing to change it to just Right-wing if you provide me a third-party analysis that supports it.

As for Soft Euroscepticism, I will once again reiterate that your comments do not make sense and the party falls perfectly in line with the categorization. I will not bring back all of those ideologies as it is simply just ideology bloat, however, I am willing to leave the ideology section to being just Libertarianism as the party’s Euroscepticism comes from that as well as does all the other ideologies that were listed.

As for leftism, party does hate it but that doesn’t change that Libertarianism is a socially left-wing fiscally right-wing ideology. Zlad! (talk) 15:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We may think these ideas are socially libertarian, they are, but they are not socially leftist. If we look at the political compass, libertarianism is in the lower right corner. It's the bottom right corner. You can just google "political compass with ideologies". The Girchi leader said they have both classical liberals, minarchists, and anarcho capitalists in their party. Either way, we can only keep libertarianism, and minarchism. Girchi directly states minimal government, it's a fundamental idea and we can't help but write minarchism into the ideology. It's nonsense if we hide this information.

As for Euroscepticism, I still believe that a party that openly advocates for European integration cannot be called Eurosceptic in any form.

And I won't repeat the arguments I made again btw.

In any case, I propose a fairly compromise solution, as I think we will both agree.

You may think that libertarianism may involve different kinds of ideas, but it can just be called libertarianism. It's libertarianism and that's it.

You may think that libertarian ideas are mildly Eurosceptic, but to write that the party is softly Eurosceptic is wrong, because they themselves have stated in debates with anti-Western politicians why they still strongly support European integration despite the fact that not all of their ideas are in line with EU policy. In their case it is definitely wrong. Then, again, we can leave out pro-Europeanism. It's libertarianism and that in itself implies that they are against those movements and politicians in the EU if they are leftist.

I'll make the changes now, which I think are compromise, since you shouldn't be able to say it's wrong and false. 213.200.31.125 (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like I’m fine with the changes you propose (even if I find your reasoning flawed), but please for any further disagreements we have discuss it with me in the party talk page and not my personal talk page. Zlad! (talk) 23:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hostile undo on EU elections page

I see you went ahead and did some hostile personal attack undo on another article since you did not agree with my comments on a different Talk page. This is a nice WP:NOTBATTLE violation, but lets keep that aside. So, on topic:

"Undid revision 1233863160 by 185.5.68.137 (talk) Green deal agenda lol."

Please suggest then, how would you concisely describe the policy diaśagreement on the Green Deal sub-policies - in all their complexity - in more "neutral words". I switched it to "Green Deal agenda of the EU" to indicate the disagreement is *inside* and mainly on specific implementation policies. Not the high level objectives as the current text indicates.

We need a text there that would avoid conflating the desire to change the specific sub-policies of the GD agenda to the position on the GD general goals themselves. And this is important as this nuance is the defining characteristic fo the PfE group and specifically the reason of ANO leaving the ALDE/RE grouping.

Unfortunately, the current text you reverted to indicates a different position was on the GD as a whole. You are likely aware that Babiš was and still is one of the supporters of the overall Green Deal goals. But this the statement in the article is now very raw, to the point of stating it is to the contrary:

 "... due to "different positions" on the European Green Deal and the EU's migration policy" is at a minimum misleading.

It also does not align with the source used:

 “We went to the elections to fight illegal migration, to change the Green Deal, which is destroying our European industry and agriculture and is having a negative impact on our citizens,”

The source - unlike the WP text - makes it clear the disagreements are specific, not general:

* about the internals of the GD sub-policies - aka the "Green Deal agenda" in the general meaning of the "agenda" word in English, not GD per se as the text now indicates

/if you are a Czech speaker, you are excused, using such a term in Czech could indeed be seen as inappropriate due to the connotations it has, but this is the English WP, not a Czech one/

The other part is about the illegal migration policies - again, the word "illegal" is removed on WP, completely changing the meaning of the source cited. But you did not mention this, so I assume you are fine with that part of the fix.

If you have a better way to concisely describe what - I sincerely believe - is best described as "the Green Deal agenda of the EU" - without losing the meaning pleae suggest. The current text is not acceptable as it is overly-simplifying to the point of presenting a political position completely separate from the one it is to convey.185.5.68.137 (talk) 12:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not edit war with you. I one-time reverted what I thought (and still think) is a blatantly biased edit. Go on the talk page and try to reach consensus about your wording and if it exists then reinstate it. As for the details its either "European Green Deal" or the "green agenda", "green deal agenda" does not exist. policies on "EU's migration policy" completely covers illegal migration, but if you really want you could change it to "EU's policy on illegal migration." Zlad! (talk) 13:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:JDL is not a valid reason to revert the information. Moreover, "imagine if" is also not a valid argument. Continious reverting while the discussion is ongoing on talk page also does not contributes to the resolution of situation. Nivzaq (talk) 20:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who told you to go on the talk page. You still made an edit. I'm removing your contentious edit and restoring it to the last version before you made POV edits. Zlad! (talk) 20:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. Please write to me on Talk page when you think I should be addressed in the specific situation rather than mentioning me in edit summeries. Thanks. Nivzaq (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have more than enough suspicions to think it was you. Very specific types of edits on Girchi's and UNM's articles that point the finger in your direction. Zlad! (talk) 11:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I see you been active on Georgia election and recent political event articles, so I would like to make you aware of this discussion taking place that may be of interest. It could really use contributions from other informed users. --LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 20:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also I just saw this on your page. Thank you :-) --LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 20:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]