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Indira Gandhi

I did give reasons in the summary for my edits, which you reverted and said were "Unexplained content removal without discussion". My further explanations:

1. The lead already says she was prime minister for nearly 16 years, from 1966-1977 and 1980. It is obvious from that she was a central figure in Indian politics. Her importance comes from being PM, not leader of the Indian National Congress. The latter carries with it the implication that being the leader of the party made her central to Indian politics. This is true of various leaders in Communist states, but not India. If you think it is important to mention she was the leader of the Indian national Congress, that should be a separate sentence and not attached to claims of her being a central figure in Indian politics.

2. The name Mother Indira was rare in popular usage. I know it is the title of a biography of her, but it never had popular usage like Chacha for Nehru, or Didi for Mamata Banajerjee. And I question if it is north worthy to say that the name was derived as a pun on the famous film Mother India? I edited the statement "...that led her to be known as "Mother Indira" (a pun on Mother India) among the country's poor and rural classes" to "...that led her to be well-regarded among the country's poor and rural classes". I think that is a perfectly fine way to communicate the matter considering the lack of notability for the name "Mother Indira".

I am a bit miffed that you said these edits were unexplained. If you feel persuaded, please put the revert backs. I am also welcome to any discussion if you want to change my mind. Exdg77 (talk) 22:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Indian National Congress Leadership: Mentioning Indira Gandhi's role as the leader of the Indian National Congress is important because it provides context to her political career. Although her prominence primarily comes from her tenure as Prime Minister, her leadership of the Congress Party was a significant aspect of her political journey. This context helps in understanding her overall impact and influence. Therefore, while her role as Prime Minister is central, the Congress leadership should also be acknowledged separately to give a complete picture. Secondly under her leadership the party got various major things, just like symbol.

Mother Indira: Including the reference to "Mother Indira" is also significant because it reflects her identity in popular culture. This title, although less common than others like "Chacha Nehru," is sourced and adds to the understanding of how she was perceived by the public. Even if the title originated as a pun on "Mother India," it still represents an aspect of her public image and should be included to provide a comprehensive view.

It's important to balance the article with thorough and accurate information. If you believe certain details are necessary or if you have specific reasons for your edits, discussing them constructively is always beneficial. Wikipedia aims for a balanced representation of facts, so engaging in discussion and providing clear explanations for edits helps in reaching a consensus.

If you feel that the changes you suggested should be reinstated or if there are specific points you want to address, I encourage you to continue the discussion on the talk page. ZenDragoX _{(User) | (Contact)} 11:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

In addition, it's crucial to highlight that Indira Gandhi's contributions to the Indian National Congress were substantial. She played a pivotal role in revitalizing the party after it faced significant challenges and internal divisions. Under her leadership, the Congress Party not only reestablished its influence but also saw the introduction of new symbols and strategies that reinforced its identity and strength. This aspect of her legacy demonstrates her significant impact on the party and underscores her role in shaping its modern trajectory.

Including this information provides a fuller understanding of her contributions beyond her tenure as Prime Minister, reflecting how she helped rebuild and guide the Indian National Congress through a critical period in its history. She is regarded as central figure in INC too. These thing were removed in your revision, that why I reverted those [1]. We can discuss about this on talk page. ZenDragoX _{(User) | (Contact)} 11:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

1. My disagreement is mainly with the line "...and a central figure in Indian politics as the leader". The lead already says she was PM from 1966-1977 and from 1980-1984. The lead also states she was the second-longest serving PM after Nehru, nearly 16 years. It should be obvious from both these facts that she was an important political figure, and her being central to Indian politics should not to be connected with being leader of a political party. Agree that it should be mentioned separately, but I have not figured out a good place to introduce that. For the moment, I will support the status quo until something can be figured out.

2. If the centrality of her leadership of the Congress is so important, the lead does a poor job of covering the role she played. The party split in 1969 into Congress (R) and Congress (O), and again in 1978, with the appearance of Congress (I). As we know, INC (I) is the Congress of today, they originated the hand symbol and most of what we popularly associate with the Congress. Perhaps more work can be done to cover this aspect in the lead.

3. After reviewing some sources, I agree that perhaps "Mother Indira" appeared more prominently in the press and political life in her day than we now remember in the 21st century. However, I am not sure it is noteworthy to mention that the title is derived from the film Mother India. It could be amended perhaps to state that her anti-poverty led to her"...metaphorical representation as the mother of the nation or "Mother Indira" among the country's poor and rural classes". Exdg77 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Please read this WP. ZenDragoX _{(User) | (Contact)} 12:45, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It would be more helpful to me if you just stated whether you agree or disagree with what I said. I am not exactly sure what you want me to understand from the link? Exdg77 (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)