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Regarding Kerma article

You seem to be somewhat misunderstanding the Rilly and Cooper sources and editing the Kerma culture page to state that they propose that the Kerma people spoke (or might have spoken) Afro-Asiatic languages prior to the arrival of Nilo-Saharan speakers. However, neither of them appear to argue this. Rilly proposes that the Kerma region likely spoke Nilo-Saharan languages (likely beginning in the pre-historic period), and criticizes the hypothesis of an Afro-Asiatic substratum in the region. And Cooper proposes that Lower Nubia (peoples such as the polities of Wawat, Medjay, and Wetenet, and the C-group culture) spoke Afro-Asiatic (Cushitic) languages in early periods before the arrival of Nilo-Saharan/Meroitic, but he does not propose this for Kerma (which is in Lower, i.e. southern Nubia, not Upper Nubia) — and the article is about Kerma. Instead Cooper argues that the evidence suggests Nilo-Saharan in Sai, Kerma, and the regions immediately south of Kerma (Upper Nubia), and Afro-Asiatic in the regions north of Sai (Lower Nubia), prior to the expansion of Nilo-Saharan (which he hypothesizes expanded from the Sai/Kerma region northward later to include Upper Nubia where it had not been spoken previously). I have, as a compromise, added mention of the hypothesis of Afro-Asiatic in Lower Nubia to the beginning of the Language section. But it seems that that information may be best suited to the Language section of the C-Group culture article, since Cooper suggests that the C-Group culture of Lower Nubia may have spoken a Cushitic language related to Beja. It may be best to discuss in the Talk page before making further changes. Please see the topic I started on the Talk page below: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Kerma_culture#Sources_and_language_affinity_of_Kerma. Skllagyook (talk) 18:53, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding the Kerma article and sources: some clarifications

Regarding the issue of the linguistic affinity of the Kerma culture, here are some clarifications of my points, which I may not have expressed well initially (I have also posted them recently on the Kerma culture Talk page.)

It is true that the Kerma kingdom did later/eventually extend its influence northward to Lower Nubia (until Lower Nubia was conquered by Egypt), but Lower Nubia was not the region in which the Kerma culture originated or was based, and Rilly and Cooper both argue that Nilo-Saharan languages were/had been (and continued to be) spoken in the Kerma culture's Upper/southern Nubian homeland. Cooper makes a distinction (please see the quotes and sources above) between the cultures native to Lower Nubia (such as the Medjay, C-Group, etc.) which he argues were Afro-Asiatic, and the Kerma culture which was native to and based/centered in Upper Nubia (Kush) which he argues was Nilo-Saharan. So, to further clarify, When Rilly and Cooper refer to "Kerma" or the "Kerma culture" (or also, in Cooper's case, to "Kush"), they are referring to it in its original geographical base (and center) in Upper Nubia (the greater region around the ancient city of Kerma), rather than to the maximal extent of the Kerma kingdom when it later came to dominate parts of the north/Lower Nubia as well, and thus they distinguish it "Kerma" (as an Upper Nubian culture) from the cultures that existed/had existed further north in Nubia at the time (in Lower Nubia, like the C-Group, Medjay, Wawat, A-Group

Also, Here is the full quote from Cooper's Conclusion below (which you partially quoted on in your response on the Talk page) — and which I think you perhaps may have misunderstood. It says that Lower Nubia (originally) spoke Afro-Asiatic languages but that the south and West of Nubia/Upper Nubia (including Kerma) spoke Nilo-Saharan languages (Eastern Sudanic), i.e. "early-Meroitic", which later encroached northward to Lower Nubia from Upper Nubia. The three linguistic blocs (originally present in Nubia) identified by Cooper are: a branch Afro-Asiatic (likely a branch of Cushitic) in Lower Nubia), a Eastern Sudanic-speaking (Nilo-Saharan) region in South/Upper Nubia, and another Afro-Asiatic region in the Eastern desert (i.e. east of the Nile, where another kind of Cushitic language likely related to Beja was spoken). Though two other regions of Nubia are thought (by Cooper) to have been Afro-Asiatic-speaking (until later), the region from where the Kerma culture originated and where it was based (Upper Nubia) is thought by Cooper to have been Nilo-Saharan-speaking (both earlier and later on).

The quote:

"The toponymic data in Egyptian texts has broadly identified at least three linguistic blocs in the Middle Nile region of the second and first millennium BCE, each of which probably exhibited a great degree of internal variation. In Lower Nubia there was an Afroasiatic language, likely a branch of Cushitic. By the end of the first millennium CE this region had been encroached upon and replaced by Eastern Sudanic speakers arriving from the south and west, to be identified first with Meroitic and later migrations attributable to Nubian speakers. Further south in the Middle Nile, with a northern border in the Batn el-Hajar, there was a sphere dominated by Eastern Sudanic speakers, certainly Meroitic speakers but also likely other branches of Eastern Sudanic. In the Eastern Desert, and possibly parts of Lower Nubia, the Beja language was dominant." "Unfortunately, the toponymic data and present state of linguistic analysis does not allow for a more nuanced picture than this, but this must represent the most basic framework for continuing lexical study of African lexical material in Egyptian texts. It is even quite likely that further philological and linguistic research will identify new languages in Ancient Sudan both along the Nile Valley and in the adjacent deserts."

The above quote is from the link/source below. Also see the map on page 198 of link below showing proposed locations of languages and cultures: you will notice that on the map the Kerma region is marked/labelled with/as speaking "pre-Meroitic", a Nilo-Saharan language according to Cooper. But the region north of Kerma is marked as having spoken the C-Group language which he proposes was Afro-Asiatic.

https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:7d8a387b-f850-4d56-8105-f84a30bf121a/download_file?file_format=pdf&safe_filename=Cooper%252C%2BToponymic%2BStrata%2Bin%2BAncient%2BNubian%2BPlacenames%252C%2BDotawo%2B4.pdf&type_of_work=Journal+article

Also, please see again the quotes/links which I posted on my the Talk page topics (in the Talk page of the Kerma culture article): https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Kerma_culture#Sources_and_language_affinity_of_Kerma. and: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Kerma_culture#both_cushitic_and_nilotic_languages_were_spoken_in_kerma_according_to_julian_riley

Thank you Skllagyook (talk) 21:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier you wrote on the article Talk page:

"julian cooper did say in his study he specifically stated that the old civilization of kerma people spoke a form of cushitic related to some beja languages before the arrival of the first north eastern Sudanic Merotic language speakers"

However, as explained, and as the passages above show, that (what you wrote above) is not accurate (according to Cooper) and is not what Julien Cooper (or Rilly) argues; he is not referring to the old civilization of Kerma as being originally Cushitic-speaking, but rather the regions of Nubia north and east of Kerma. According to Cooper, The regions that spoke Cushitic languages before the spread of Meroitic were Lower Nubia and parts of the Eastern desert (places north and east of Kerma). But Kerma, being based in Upper (south) Nubia along the Nile, is thought/proposed by Cooper to have spoken a Nilo-Saharan language (early Meroitic) in both early and later periods (please see the quote above about the three blocs as well as my other quotations and explanations here on and the Kerma article's Talk page.).

Thank you :Skllagyook (talk) 22:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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