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Question regarding the merging of hit song articles into album articles

Why are you so averse to merging anyway? Don't you think one longer article is better than two shorter articles? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 18:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hit singles (song articles) are separate resources, with individual content relative their own unique historical contribution to an artists career. Missing from album articles is the content specific to those singles or song articles (eg. songwriter credits, award acheivements, chart numbers, links to albums that also contain the same song, links to the songwriter for the research of other material written by that writer, lyrics of interest, etc). This is what I mean by "restricting wiki content". By merging the song article into an album article, everything I have mentioned above in parenthesis is lost. You mentioned "longer article is better than two articles". These are not two articles about the same thing. One is a single song article. One is an album article. Broader wiki content and a deeper resource for research is being destroyed by merging. It isn't about promoting any elements of the product. It is about providing users of Wikipedia the most detail possible. Thanks for asking. Wikibones (talk) 21:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI this was raised at ANI. –xeno^talk 19:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As evidenced from the above and the ridiculous history on this issue, the only thing I can figure is that TenPoundHammer must be about 14 years old to not understand the difference between a song article and an album article. I feel sorry for the well-meaning serious contributors to Wikipedia who have to constantly deal with this virtual zealot, whose focus is largely on squashing the good work of others for the purpose of collecting Barnstars (little unofficial merit badges that a few other like-minded immature virtual zealots bestow on each other as virtual status symbols). At no time through the process of this issue has TPH been capable of considering the importance of the co-existence of a song article (for a hit recording) and an album article (by the same title). Read carefully what TPH first stated above. I rest my case.Wikibones (talk) 12:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on content, and not contributors. I believe TPH is drawing from WP:NSONGS, specifically the portion "Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." when he is deciding to merge the song into the album. I have suggested to him at my talk page that a formal proposed merge discussion take place if you still disagree. –xeno^talk 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have dealt with this person for more than a year now on this. His motives are obvious. He wants ONLY the album article to exist, yet the title cut of the album was a hit song. Co-existing articles are not an option to TPH. The army of people out there who have to deal with this indiscriminate stuff from TPH is generating a ton of animosity. How can anyone so relentless with such indiscriminate and destructive edits be allowed to prowl through Wikipedia in this manner?Wikibones (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I keep song articles if they're long enough. Prove you can write more than two or three sentences on song articles. Why can't you see that it's COMMUNITY CONSENSUS — as in, not what I think but what Wikipedia as a whole thinks — that merging song articles is just fine? Is there something you fail to understand about "articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album"?! You act as if I have a vendetta against you, and you act as if you own the article and won't let anyone harm the articles. That's called WP:OWN and it's not allowed. Also, do you really think comments like "the only thing I can figure is that TenPoundHammer must be about 14 years old to not understand the difference between a song article and an album article" are appropriate? Insult me again and you most certainly will get a block.

I have initiated a discussion here to gather whether or not the community agrees with my merge. If they do agree that a merge is appropriate, then the redirects will stay because they, not I, agreed on it being so. If they stay, please do not try to circumvent community consensus. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 16:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added the proposed {{merge}} tags to each song which have been reverted to the live version after an agreement from TenPoundHammer to leave them unredirected while the discussion runs. Feel free to opine at the discussion. Note that the proposed merge tags must remain while the discussion runs. –xeno^talk 18:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Runaway song is indeed the Del Shannon one. Why else would it credit Del Shannon as a writer? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 07:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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You try to contribute a nice article, and even have the help of several good Wikipedians who help you get re-familiarized with proper source citation structure, and then someone comes along like this within a matter of days and slaps a big block on the entire article. Now I remember why I stopped contributing articles to Wikipedia from scratch and took a long break from all this.Wikibones (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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