User talk:Waimea

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Joans (moved from User:Waimea to User talk:Waimea)

Joan Plantagenet, Queen of Scotland and Joan of England, Queen Alexander of Scotland the same person? If so, I will change the redirect of the first to point to the second rather than the dab page. John (Jwy) 15:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I'm confused about what you did. I was attempting to avoid sending links to the dab page if possible. You've effectively reversed that. If I'm missing something, let me know. But links from other articles should not go to a disambiguation page - from context I think I got most of them right. John (Jwy) 15:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as to why you chose the method of disambiguation that you did. Joan of England, Queen Alexander of Scotland looks, well, rather odd. Have you seen the method used for Elisabeth of Austria (disambiguation) or Margaret of Austria (disambiguation) ? I have access to AWB, so if you do have second thoughts, let me know and I can easily change the wikilinks. Regards. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are two Joans of England who are queens of Scotland. It will be confusing to name only one as such. Therefore "Alexander" - I do not appreciate disambigs in parentheses. Regarding redirects, if two or more persons MAY share the same name, the usual guideline is to redirect such name to a dab page where they all are. It is not advisable to create too many small dab pages. Thus, Joan of England, Queen of Scotland should be a redirect to dab page. (Re the point that as few actual links -as opposed to redirs- should be allowed to lea to dab page, that is precisely the reason why smalle dabs are redirected to big dab, as then careless editors -hopefully- realize that their links are too unspecific, and make the link already at its source to link to the individual article.) Then, also remember that the oldest article remains as the article, and newer ones will be redirects - this is to avoid forks etc. Waimea 18:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, more or less. Thanks ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I have some trouble with this. Consider WP:MOSDAB. The disambiguation pages should help a reader find the page they are looking for quickly. If it takes a whole bunch of dab pages, fine. There's no problem with that. And if paretheses help, that's okay, too, although I can see prefering something without it in this case where you have all the titles, etc. to do things more "organically." And the usual guidelines include having the redirect to a predominant page (if there is one) with a reference to either another less dominant page or to the dab page. So IF the Queen of Sicily is much more likely to be the target than the other Joan of Englands, then we would redirect Joan of England to her and have a reference to the dab page. Careless editors can be corrected rather easily, just click "what links here" and fix it; ending up at a disambiguation page that has more items than you expect is disorienting. John (Jwy) 04:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It appears we are both working on the same thing at cross purposes (working on the dab pages of Joans). I will step back, I'm a bit frustrated as I've been spending some time on it (including sorting out pointers to a page that now now longer exists). Please don't let me discourage you, but you should read WP:MOSDAB before getting too much further. A lot of thought has gone into the ideas there. I'll be back later after a time out. John (Jwy) 05:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs

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