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Trevor Blumas

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I am wondering is he Jewish or Italian. He looks Italian to me.

I don't really know, there's isn't very much info on him. Blumas, no doubt a version of "Blum", is a Jewish last name, so probably Jewish. I find Jewish and Italian "looks" overlap a lot of the time, and it's hard to tell the difference.Vulturell 03:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that. I have yet to ask him, i just assumed he was atleast jewish. Parys

Hey V, can i call you V? I've noticed everytime i google Trevor Blumas i get something about his sexuality, and this isn't just one article or one person. Apparently there is this large discussion about it. Now i don't really know how to handle that, should they be mentioned in the article.Parys

I know, well, he did begin to take legal action agaisnt the web master. apparently there were acticles written in the tabloids about it. And to my understanding Michael Pardo (the webmaster) was also being sued by Trevor's old band. To my understanding Michael Pardo is now dead. Parys

No problem, it was the globe Globe Trevor himself speaks of the investigation. Sadly Trevor Blumas has yet to get an official site. So it will be harder to get a direct quote.Parys

Ok I put it up. Feel free to edit to a smaller format. I don't want to seem like i am glorifying this man. Parys

Jewish Americans

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I figured these separate lists would get more votes to delete than the main one - but if you think the main one will go down easier then fine by me. The point is one of these have to go. StabRule 10:19, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also - if you choose to put the afd up - you can go ahead and remove the afds from these smaller lists. Thanks. StabRule 10:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vulturell, please look at my comments starting at:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_26#List_of_Jewish_American_scientists and ending at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_26#List_of_Jewish_Americans. Arniep 02:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, I closed all the VFDs on other Jewish American lists. So right now only List of Jewish Americans is up for deletion. StabRule 07:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vulturell what I was trying to tell you is that this user has a history of obsession with deleting Jewish lists and placing dishonest votes. The ip Special:Contributions/72.144.161.73 nominated Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_18#List_of_Jewish_jurists and then another ip from BellSouth.net Inc.Atlanta placed a probable sock puppet vote on the same nomination (Special:Contributions/72.144.71.234) which was noticed by User:JJay in his comment Strong Keep. Changing my vote. Don't like anon noms here + 2nd anom vote, both out of Atlanta.-- JJay 05:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC). The ip which StabRule acknowledges on his user page Special:Contributions/65.9.143.76 is also a BellSouth.net Inc.Atlanta address. Just have a look at this users contributions, it seems their sole activity on Wikipedia has been trying to delete Jewish lists and not placing any useful contribution to articles on Wikipedia whatsoever. Arniep 14:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Vulturell, this is unbelievable!!! User:StabRule has now placed three votes on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish jurists! Arniep 22:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Send him to the dry-cleaners.Vulturell 23:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This is bigger than I thought:
Arniep, you seem to have an obsession with investigating my voting pattern. Why not just let the votes play out for themselves. I voted once on each AFD (as stated before) and made a user account BECAUSE I didn't want to be just an anon IP. I attain no sock puppets except the one I admitted. I also stand by the AFD on List of Jewish Americans StabRule 02:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dividing lists of Jewish Americans

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I've done about all that I'm willing to do with the lists, they definitely need a lot of cleaning up/merging with other lists and other tidying up, but I think it is a lot better than it was. Peyna 02:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Source request

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Query for you at Talk:Edwina Mountbatten, Countess Mountbatten of Burma. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 22:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I take your point, and I would prefer to see none of these lists existing for that reason, though it could also be argued that any Wikipedia article that compiles information is original research in the sense that the authors choose to compile it this way and not that. But if we stick to the editorial policies, we minimize it. They're not hard to stick to in this case. If you know someone is a Jew, it means you saw it written somewhere. So when you add the name, add the source at the same time, either as an embedded link after the name, or as a Harvard reference if it's offline, or as a footnote if you prefer. You should also create a References section to add the full citations there. That will ensure that we're not calling people Jews unless that information has already been published about them somewhere credible. SlimVirgin (talk)

xxx-American/Jewish categories/lists

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Firstly did you forget about native americans? Anyway xxx-American and Jewish are labels, we can't apply it to someone if they don't use it or that is original research which is what I've been trying to say before. Jewish is different as it also has religious connotations so people can legitimately say I am Jewish even if their Jewish ancestor immigrated 150 years ago or whatever, so I think the Jewish American category should stay. Arniep 00:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:RachelBrown

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Please check your e-mails and reply to them. - Poetlister 13:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Multiracial or just plain african american

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You seemed like the right person to ask this V, say if someone is has two parents who are both mixed with other races (the mother mainly black, but also has asian roots, her great-grandmother on her father side. And her mother's father was half black. The father's mother was half white, Native american/black.) Would thier child (mother and father) be multiracial? Parys

Thanks for the info. That person is actually me. I prefer that term anyway, it's almost no other way to describe me i guess. Parys

Barnstar

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Barnstar on your user page for you, Vulturell, though feel free to move it to wherever you prefer. I saw all the sources you have added to List of British people of Jewish descent. You've gone above and beyond the call. ;-D Thank you for doing that! SlimVirgin (talk) 21:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

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There is a convention that articles should not be in both mother and daughter categories. Thus, a biography would not be in both "people from Chicago" and "people from Illinois". That is why I think that Category:Jewish American actors does not need to have all the ethnic categories applied to it that are applied to its parent. See Wikipedia:categorization. -Willmcw 07:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RFC on Antidote

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Hi, as you are involved in the British Jewish list you might want to comment at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Antidote. Thanks Arniep 22:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cypriot

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What is this user doing??? Why is he putting American born on as far as I can see only Jewish people?? By the way are you going to look at Antidote's rfc, if you agree with my summary, please sign at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Antidote#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary. Thanks Arniep 22:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

well he didn't seem to put American born for any other people than Lauren Bacall or Kirk Douglas, but anyway. Thanks for voting on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish inventors maybe you should put a better argument, I think the admin may ignore your vote if you just say "boring discussion". Arniep 23:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Ruffalo

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Jewish?

A couple of in-depth articles make it pretty clear that he's an Italian-American (i.e. not Jewish unless I'm missing something). He's probably Catholic, but I haven't seen that stated yet.

"Ruffalo, 32, left when he was 13, after attending Lance Middle School, but he still returns to visit his father, grandparents and sister.

"I had a great childhood there," Ruffalo said.

"I lived on the edge of a forest. We had a very big Italian family with lots of love."

Perhaps his Italian great-grandfather's interest in commedia dell'arte had a genetic influence on Ruffalo's choice of careers, but not at first.

He appeared in the high school play while living in Virginia "and, after that, I put away acting as a totally useless thing I could never make it at or do," he said. "But I couldn't find anything better."" http://www.jsonline.com/enter/movies/dudek/dec00/count21122000.asp?format=print

"“I was brought up in Kenosha, Wis., a factory town,” he said. “My mom was a hairstylist. My dad was a construction painter. He was an amazing, charismatic guy who was city high school wrestling champion three times. He was away a lot when I was growing up. I was very lonely for him.”

Mark is the oldest son of Frank and Maria Ruffalo, second-generation Italian-Americans. His three siblings—Scott, Tania and Nicole—are all hairdressers.

When Mark was 13, the family moved to Virginia Beach, Va. “My dad’s painting company had collapsed,” he explained. “In Virginia, he started a business called Soda Butler: You deliver syrup to people, and they carbonate their own soda at home. That fizzled out. We got poorer and poorer. It caused a lot of anger at home.”" http://archive.parade.com/2004/0509/0509_mark_ruffalo.html Vulturell 02:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Aniston

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Are you certain Aniston is not a Greek Jew? Robert Taylor 23:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yah. If Aniston's father was Jewish, her mother would have surely mentioned it in her book (she just talks about him being Greek). And Aniston was Christened, see her mom's book again[1] "we found ourselves gathered for his funeral in the same church where, many years earlier, baby Jennifer was christened". Vulturell 00:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Lucas

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Jewish?

I don't know - maybe. He hasn't really revealed anything about his background in interviews. His original last name is "Maurer", which is often a Jewish last name. And his father was a doctor. But that's all the information that's out there, unfortunately.Vulturell 22:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe that's why he looks so much like Paul Newman, who has almost an identical background.

It is unlikely but not completely out of the question. He had to drop his family name only because there was another Joshua Maurer already registered in SAG. He has mentioned he was christened Joshua Lucas Easy Dent Maurer in several recent interviews. To me the term "christening" implies/suggests a Christian background. "Maurer" in German means "bricklayer,stonemason." The "Easy Dent" name, which has become the stuff of legends, originated because his parents were living on an Indian Reservation at the time of his birth, and the local tribe traditionally name children to events that occur during birth. He came out so "easy" that the doctor missed him and he "dented" his head on the footboard of the bed. Quoted in LA Times, and on Jay Leno. My impression is that he is not, given his unconventional childhood, and that, while his family may not have raised him and his siblings in a particular church, I think they had many traditional Judaeo-Christian beliefs, along with a sprinkling of Native American and Eastern philosophies... He did mention in an interview during "Around the Bend" that his young co-star, Jonah Bobo, had to have "kosher" chicken for the scenes set in KFC restaurants. I think that would've been a perfect opportunity for him to mention if he were of Jewish ancestry or adhered to the Jewish faith. His dad was born and raised in Arkansas and his mom and her family came from Ohio originally, again per an old interview that came out during "Sweet Home Alabama." Wetzesha 03:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Harry H Corbett

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Wasn't he Jewish? - Newport 07:12, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I kinda doubt it. He was born in Burma, the son of a British army officer. The last name doesn't sound like it (Corbett is usually just English). And if he was Jewish, it would probably be mentioned somewhere. I think Sid James was the only Jewish actor on "Carry On". Vulturell 07:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for a swift response! - Newport 07:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

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This Tireless Contributor Barnstar is presented to User:Vulturell for his continous work on Jewish related articles. Presented by Tony the Marine 04:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have never had the pleasure of interacting with you before. I ran into your comments in the Freddie Prinze Jr. talk page and decided to check you out. I am impressed with your contributions on Jewish related subjects since I myself have many Jewish friends and admire the Jewish people as awhole. I hope that you accept this barnstar on my behave. Take care, Tony the Marine 04:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Greek American

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Watch out for the 3RR. Talk pages are good places to settle content disputes. BTW, your re-write of the Jewish Greek American paragraph was good. Thanks, -Willmcw 22:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Watson quote

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In general, I'm not fond of using quotes by the persons themselves in their own article, until it's something of extreme importance (i.e. someone's opinions on the murders that they committed or maybe some famous quote that's been immortalized in history). I think just about any quote can be rewritten into a sentence. So, is there really a good reason for using the Watson quote? I mean, sure, I guess it tells us that she really likes being an "old Dragon", but why is this important to her life and career? It really seems to be a minute detail of her history. It's not even really something currently important (i.e. "I will never regret being in the Potter films" or "I am a devout Catholic"). It's something that may be relevant to the Dragon School article, in terms of its members reactions to their attendance there, but not really to Watson herself. At best, I think we should reword it to a non-quote, i.e. "Watson attended the Dragon school, a fact she is proud of" or something. Vulturell 04:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, given that her "history" is still brief, I felt that it was a snapshot into the person, rather than just a name and a collection of movie roles. There is always the idea of including a "Quotes" header, like I did with Karen Dotrice. RadioKirk 04:14, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, isn't there a program like "Wikiquotes" that we can put all that into? I've seen it around [1]. I think we should add a Wikiquotes thing and put it in for Watson. Vulturell 04:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I could see that. Meantime, I think the Emma Watson/grandmother trivia point was vital: Too may people still think she's "Emma Charlotte Duerre Watson II"; also, I personally restored the Austen point because I believe the book's Emma Watson was the only one known prior to the actress's appearance in Harry Potter. I believe it is informative and, therefore, encyclopedic. RadioKirk 04:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll create a Watson quotes page and arrange all that. As for the other things - well, do we really need to spend a huge paragraph explaining an internet mistake? There's at least a sentence there on the IMDB's suffix practices; I just feel uncomfortable with it, it's too self-referential when it comes to the Internet. The Austen thing isn't necessarily irrelevant, it's just that we spend a bit of time talking about who finished writing the book, etc. I think we should just link to the appropriate Wiki page. Regardless, I'll try and adjust these but also keep the information if you think it's important. Vulturell 04:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm already on the quotes page. As for the other question, at this time in her young career, yes, I believe the points are informative and encyclopedic and, therefore, should be included. RadioKirk 04:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Forgive me, but I'm seriously tempted to revert. The inclusions now are disjointed and bounce back and forth, losing the reader... RadioKirk 04:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I really think that the suffix thing should be left out. Sentences like "there may be a connection" feel like Original Research. I put in a warning to editors not to add a suffix, but beyond that I think we could be "constructing" too much of a "story" to the suffix business. OK, I can see what you mean with the Austen thing. I'll add a "Private Life" section and move some of this there. Vulturell 04:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
First point conceded. Second, I don't know that it really qualifies as "Private life", and her page certainly wouldn't be the first with a "Trivia" section, no matter how brief. RadioKirk 04:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, that works. RadioKirk 04:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good job on the adjustments. This kind of thing is long overdue for all articles with Trivia and Quotes. Vulturell 05:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! I just made a technical tweak as well. The use of commas is a pain at times: "... by English writer Joan Aiken in...", for example, uses no commas as Aiken is both the noun subject and a proper noun, while "... by the English writer, Joan Aiken, in..." uses commas because the article "the" changes "writer" to the noun subject. Pain in the butt, I assure you, I've seen this a lot... RadioKirk 05:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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I ☆ed on you head page. Thank you very much for your informations a talk:List of Jews. please see othe pages!

waAlekhem shalom! --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 11:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Red links - Nehemiah Persoff

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I wonder if it's a good idea to remove red links so systematically. It's a virtue of lists as opposed to categories that you can add names without articles, recording people who ought to be included and maybe encouraging people to create articles. Nehemiah Persoff undoubtedly was a Jewish actor of some note. - Newport 08:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a stub - I hope to extend it when time permits. - Newport 12:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Evan Rachel Wood

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Is there any evidence that she is jewish? Arniep 01:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yah. See [2]. Vulturell 02:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
isn't it somewhat misleading though to say she comes from a Jewish-American family, you don't know her father is jewish, and the ancestry of her grandfather didn't look Jewish. Arniep 02:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, since she apparently referred to herself as "Jewish" on the DVD commentary and was also referred to as "Jewish" in the interview (i.e. as opposed to "half Jewish" or whatnot in both cases) I guess it's fine. I mean, frankly speaking, we don't know her exact ancestry, for all we know her mother is Jewish and her father is part Jewish too, etc. or a dozen other scenarios. If the only ethnicity/religion information available to us on Wood just says "Jewish" then that's what we have to put in, until (and I'm sure we eventually will, no question about it) see a source that goes into more detail. Anything else (i.e. the family tree, which we can't even necessarily verify is hers, though it's likely) can be considered original research. Vulturell 02:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
you only know she is jewish, that only requires one parent to be jewish, so I don't think Jewish-American family is the correct phrase to use. Arniep 03:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if she's referred to herself and been referred to as "Jewish", it means that she was most likely brought up Jewish (i.e. religiously or culturally speaking) as opposed to anything else. The comment on the DVD was in regards to her character wearing a cross (i.e. "shouldn't be wearing it 'cos am Jewish"), wouldn't she have commented on her father (or mother?) being Christian? I guess if her mother was Jewish maybe her father converted, but again, that's more speculation. We hear actors say "Jewish" all the time when it comes to their background without further specification, and we don't question "how Jewish" they are unless it comes up in later interviews, so if the information we have regarding her family upbringing says "Jewish" without further specification then that is how we should list her family upbringing, until we have more information (which I'm sure will be sooner than later). Vulturell 03:17, 22 December 2005

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Well, if her mother was Jewish and not her father it would still be OK to call herself Jewish even for orthodox, I don't think it is correct to say she was born into a Jewish-American family if her father isn't Jewish. Arniep 03:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but we don't know if her father isn't Jewish, that's the thing. We just have "Jewish" in regards to her background, so that's how I'm listing her until we have some first-hand notice that she's also something else. Vulturell 03:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I reverted, you can't say she is from a Jewish-American family unless you know both her parents identify as Jewish, also I added other info. Arniep 03:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
"Her parents identify as Jewish"? Why not grandparents and great-grandparents and everyone back three thousand years ago? (plus you used that scary word "identify") I'm sorry, but I'm certain that you wouldn't have questioned someone with a "more Jewish" last name or whatnot as being "just Jewish" if they mentioned "Jewish" as their background. The info that we have right now says "Jewish" for Wood without further explication, we can't just assume until we hear concrete info otherwise. Vulturell 03:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I emailed her dad. It contains some info that might not be best to release publicly, so would an edited version be OK in your opinion? Arniep 22:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
just places where people live. Arniep 22:38, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just posted it, it was only the state so it doesn't matter to mention it. Arniep 22:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think maybe I should ask him first? Maybe I should remove it until he's OK with posting it? Arniep 22:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
nooo keep the trivia section please, plenty of other articles have it and all those things really are trivia in relation to why she has an encyclopedia entry. Arniep 22:46, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'll rename early life personal life and put the info in there then.Arniep 22:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No wait I don't think theres a way to include that info without it sounding stilted I think we should keep the trivia section. Arniep 22:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Her father said she was acclaimed in his message. I reverted as there was nothing really wrong with my version please don't revert just to get the last word. Arniep 23:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note

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As you are someone who is involved (and from all reports your involvement has been wonderful and neutral in trying to resolve this mess) I thought that I would advise you that the 5 users who were indefinitely banned 2 days ago for sock puppetry (see: User:Zordrac/Poetlister for details), namely User:RachelBrown, User:Newport, User:Poetlister, User:Londoneye, User:Taxwoman, the first 4 of whom you had involvement with, have all had their bans lifted. However, none of them have made an edit since their bans were lifted and I cannot guarantee that they will return to Wikipedia. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 08:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Bain

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Please see the discussion on Talk:Barbara Bain. A reader had a strong reaction to your characterizing Bain as a Jewish-American actor. I've removed the reference. While I don't think you meant it as insulting, I can also see that some would take it as such. -- PKtm 02:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, our American Jews article speficially refers to the term Jewish American. As we do Italian American and Irish American. These are all common terms refering to ethnicity-nationality. We don't have Christian American because that's specifically a religion, not an ethnic background. I made this update a long time ago, since then me and anyone working on similar areas have stopped putting that kind of info into the first sentence, and instead it now goes under "Early Life" or something later down (the same for calling someone an Italian American). This person's problem is clearly with the term itself, "Jewish American", and in that case it has nothing to do with Barbara Bain. Your complaint should go over to the long article titled American Jews. Vulturell 03:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply, but with all due respect, I have to say that I think you're missing the reader's point. She seemed to object to Bain, specifically, being identified as to her ethnic heritage, because that heritage has nothing to do with Bain's career (unlike, say, Woody Allen). It strikes me, too, as fairly random and irrelevant to refer to Bain's ethnic derivation, and in particular, to edit the article so that it pointedly makes that heritage known. Ethnicity is irrelevant for the vast majority of us Americans, unless we choose to make our ethnic background a specific focus of our lives. I know of nothing about Bain's career that would indicate to me that she's done so, so why drop in on her article and point out her ethnic heritage? Please consider removing the reference entirely. -- PKtm 13:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey V

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Yeah i was just wondering when should we at certain public figures? Parys

Well i understand the speedy delete thing, that if a certain person (celebrity) is not notable then they get deleted. Who decides if an celebrity is notable. Do i send to an admin first? Parys

A not that famous actor/author. I assume they need to do somethimng more notable. Parys

Well they wrote two books. Are involved in one major feature film, and they are doing two indy films. Parys

It's actually me. But I have been informed about something called articles of vanity. Which isn't the case. I don't think i have done enough to need to be defined yet. Parys

I didnt add it. I mean if it is to be created, i wouldnt create it. WOuldnt that make it kinda onesided? I dont think i am notable enough. Google me and tell me what you think? Parys

But it has... i was casted in the movie Freedom Writer. Which is notable i guess. Parys

I am actually shocked i had one... that's sorta coo i guess. But back then i hadn't. my IMDB should be up soon, and my picture is the only picture on the "Freedom Writers" IMBD thing. So, well that should prove it. However i would prefer you write it, (My article) since you are the main user that i talk to. I find it skanky for me to do it myself. Parys

Matt Lauer

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Is he Jewish? The reason I ask is that he made a face when Ann Coulter said Merry Christmas to him today. Robert Taylor 00:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

He's Jewish on his father's side, so maybe that's why. ""My dad was Jewish. My mom is not. So I was not raised anything. I do feel a desire now to find something spiritual. Getting married and wanting to have kids has something to do with that." http://www.usaweekend.com/00_issues/000430/000430matt_lauer.html

Vulturell 00:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How do we update his profile to reflect that without offending certain people? Robert Taylor 01:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

try "Parys sylver". Parys

List of British Jews

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Well done, and thank you for all your hard work. The page looks much better for it. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey Rush

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Jewish?

Jewish lists and categories

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Hello, I have made a compromise proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession#Proposal_to_make_Jewish_lists_and_categories_historical_only. Regards Arniep 23:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the Jewish Encyclopedia is very well respected in academic circles (see the opening paragraphs of the article). Arniep 23:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, and as the article states it is still considered an authorititative source. As I said in the discussion I don't think identifying living people as Jewish is a good idea. Arniep 23:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before I'm not interested in listing living individuals. Arniep 00:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have an email? I'll like to ask you some questions regarding that fight and wikipedia

shame on you

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i didnt vandalize, i just corrected grammar. and i didnt think there was any vandalism, she is kinda hard to look at. cheers <3 Stanley Ipkiss 08:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno man, "Since Sex and the City ended, Parker is back to playing annoying roles in garbage films that no one wants to watch." reads like vandalism to me. Vulturell 15:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

General proposal on lists by religion/ethnicity and profession

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Hi, I have made a general proposal that should cover all ethnic and religious groups. Please take a look here.--Pecher 08:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Candice Michelle

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Jewish?

Pretty sure she isn't. She says on her official site that's she German (which explains the "Beckman") and Panamian (which explains her dark looks). She was born in Wisconsin, where there is a large non-Jewish German-American community, so I would guess that her father is of ethnic German descent. Vulturell 23:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mathew Broderick

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Hey Vulturell, you might be better at arranging pages to look nice, Mathew's seems to be arranged funny

You're right, it is. I'll fix it up to the normal actor bio format. Vulturell 23:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Poehler?

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SNL's blonde cutie Jewish?Robert Taylor 00:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-Never heard of Jewhoo, similar to JewWatch? Robert Taylor 00:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and

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If you're tired of answering my questions on backgrounds, just say so (you just always seem to know)Robert Taylor 00:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The lists debate continues

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WOW, those guys are really out to get you (IZAK), but you put up a nice fight. Tell me why the argument focuses more on the Jewish aspect, than the way you would like it to, concern all backgrounds....is it because of the interesting ethno-religious side to it?Robert Taylor 00:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Jackson

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Jewish?

Oh no. Not at all. Just like like Geoffrey Rush, a British-origin Australian. The Jewish population of Australia is comparatively small, and indeed the only Jewish Australian show business person I can think of would be actress Claudia Black (there's also Olivia Newton-John, but she's British by birth and parentage). Btw, back in the day Jewhoo said that the only Jewish actors on the "LOTR" movies were Sean Astin (whose biological father is Jewish) and Orlando Bloom (whose non-biological father is Jewish, and otherwise his background is mostly a mystery). Vulturell 00:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Would you happen to know how many Jewish actors were in the film King Kong? Robert Taylor 00:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So Colin Hanks isn't Jewish? His mom's real last name is Ibrahimoff? Robert Taylor 15:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thanks for clearing that up, that was in-depth! Robert Taylor 00:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Americans

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Vulturell, did you move all those people to the distant section? Some people in there don't belong there and many people not in there do. Arniep 19:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think we need to add sources to the Irish American page like you did for the British Jewish page. Arniep 02:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mex-Am singers

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Hello. I believe it was you who nominated Category:Mexican American singers for deletion. I find it a bit surprising, considering the work you have done on ethnicity (a casual observation made from the content of your user- and talk-pages, nothing more). But I thought I'd let you know that some of the other editors and I have formed a Mexican-American/Chicano Wikiproject, and the articles in the category nominated are part of it. I just want to ask you to please let us know if you plan to nominate any more categories affecting our work on the project's talkpage. Gracias, --Rockero420 03:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Hawke

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Background?

Oh oh, and Felicity Huffman? Robert Taylor 03:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Norton

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Ethnicity? Robert Taylor 18:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Shandling

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I've always wondered.... Robert Taylor 03:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add that to his bio? Robert Taylor 15:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, put this one to rest..

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Charlie Chaplin: Jewish? Robert Taylor 23:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Samberg

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Thanks for the extensive Chaplin info! I had been told from an early age otherwise, and I guess it was just some rumour started somewhere. Is Andy Jewish? He's on SNL Robert Taylor 06:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Will Ferrell

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ethnic background? Robert Taylor 21:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Unlicensed Bot?

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It would appear that you are running an unauthoritized, unflagged bot that is making 5-6 page changes/minute (I understood the maximum to be about 1/min). In any case, whether deliberately or accidentally, it/you characterized Andrew Grove first as a Jewish-American politician, and then took him out of the category Jewish-American altogether and put him in Jewish-American history. Has your bot run amok or what? -- Gnetwerker 08:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote: I'm personally making the changes. ... -- I will certainly take your word on it, but how in the world do you make 5 edits a minute? I'm impressed. -- Gnetwerker 08:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish American cyclical categories

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Hi. What happened to Category:Jewish American history and Category:Jewish Americans? They're both parents of each other causing a cyclical relationship. I don't get it. And you're moving articles out of Jewish Americans into the history category? I would think bios should go into the Jewish Americans category, not the history one. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Robert Denning, I believe is much better under Jewish Americans than under the history category...Doc 15:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another Ralph Lauren is a living Jesish American...I don't believe that this belongs under history either Doc 15:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, a category called "...history" doesn't seem like an intuitive place to put people that don't fit into a more specific one. The other issue I was raising was having a situation where cat A is cat B's parent and cat B is cat A's parent. That introduces a whole other level of confusion! And one I can't say I've seen here until now.  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 16:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the parent model is kinda supposed to represent a subset relationship. How can A be a subset of B if B is a subset of A? I don't think you'll find other cases where a category called "X history" is a subcategory of "X people". Maybe you'd find "X people important to X's history" and that would be a subcategory of both "X history" and "X people". If you put an article in a category, you're saying that it also relates to that category's parent - but not all Jewish American people are important to the group's history. The more I type here, the more confused I get by it all. I tend to stay away from category discussions because I think the whole system is flawed - but I know A being a subset of B while B is a subset of A doesn't make sense!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 17:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain why you keep moving Michael Curtiz from Category:Jewish Americans to Category:Jewish American history. Curtiz was, in fact, a Jewish American. Side note: please make edit comments when you do these sort of things, so they aren't interpreted as vandalism. -- MisterHand 18:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're doing the same thing with Rick Rubin. Please explain yourself. Korny O'Near 20:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas de Gunzburg

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I think it is too limited to place him under only Jewish American Actors... his life far more as a designer, editor and mentor. Other than this one movie life was his stage and I believe the more general category is best. Doc 15:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't really like the history part either as his background really doesn't have anything to do with Jewish history except in the most general sense that he was a Jewish person and in many ways while perhaps large the original category was more correct, IMO. Doc 04:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

why change LGBT Activist Brenda Howard to a Writer?

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Hi you changed one of Brenda's categories from "Category:Jewish Americans|Howard, Brenda" to "Category:Jewish American writers|Howard, Brenda".

Since she was not a writer as far as any of us know we wondered why? Were you perhaps thinking of some other Brenda Howard?

Thanks CyntWorkStuff

Jewish American producers re:Gabler

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Such a category might be a bit too broad because that would also include movie producers. If you want something specific to music, then it would have to be Jewish American music producers. But there should be enough people around to populate such a category. 23skidoo 15:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish American journalists → broadcasters

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I think this whole subcategorization project of yours is somewhat foolish, but in any case, about half of your current Category:Jewish-American journalists are much better described as broadcasters, not journalists, so I suggest you create yet another category and move them in. (A few are both.) Wasted Time R 12:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hyphenated or not?

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Looking at Category:Jewish Americans's subcategories, half the time you hyphenate "Jewish American" and half the time you don't. What's up with that? Wasted Time R 12:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kozinski - writer?

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All lawyers are writers. Just because he writes articles and not just judicial opinions does not make him a writer in the ordinary non-fiction sense. Even if a lawyer or judge wrote a book (which I don't think Kozinski did) that would certainly not make him a writer, because writing on legal or near-legal topics is to some extent within a lawyer's job description. Crzrussian 19:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol, it seems you have a penchant for pigeonholing! poor brenda howard and nicholas de gunzburg. you gotta stop this, dude! Crzrussian 19:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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