User talk:Voxveritatis

July 2007

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Greg Felton

I have raised the objections you made earlier today on Editor Assistance to Biographies Noticeboard. If nobody contacts you in the next 24 hour hours please leave a message on my talk page. Mike33 18:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Felton you are braking the rules of wikipedia. Nothing on there is in contempt and you have no right to claim otherwise. You are violating the rules and I will report you for this if you keep it up. I am indifferent on your work but I think you are worthy of having a wikipedia page. This is not a site where people pay money to advertise themselves.

--Eternalsleeper 21:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Listen here:

I am objecting to false, unsubstatiated comments being made about me by those who have no interest in an honest biography of me, to wit:

1. I have never claimed that Jews should be removed from government. 2. I have NEVER spoken before the Canadian Islamic Congress. 3. Citing the JDL to denigrate me is libel by proxy. 4. I did not leave the Vancouver Courier becasue of my Middle East writing. 5. I do not write for the National Vangaurd. Many people have picked up my writing without asking me to condone their politics. 6. Those who are adding to my page are pro-Israel agitators like you who have nothing better to do than conduct character assassination. If any of you wants to write about me, contact me for an interview! 7. It cannot be wrong to want to defend myself against those who spread malicious gossip. I am asking you to stop the "felton=Jew hater" crap or pull the page.

ok Mr. Felton I see your point. Your work appeared on National Vanguard without your consent. The part about JDL Canada is true, you appear on their web site under, "Jew haters," if you have or have not seen it youself. Regardless you appear on their site and the page does not say that it true, just that you are on their site. I would love to ask you how all these allegations have showed up on the Internet about you calling for Jews to be expelled from government positions.

--Eternalsleeper 16:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spare me your feints at reasonableness. You insist on posting flase and defamatory comments from the JDL, and then have the gall to ask me to justify them. The JDL. like the ADL and other arms of the Israel Lobby, routinely defames those whom it hates. Lying is what it does. The fact that you insist on positing this negative crap from an odious, disreputable group confirmms that you do not have a dispassionate interest in my page. You are a Harperite and a zionist, which means you have a conflict of interest. After all, you accept Internet rumour as fact rather than do any honest research. Stay off my page or I will report you as an editorial abuser!

--Voxveritatis

a 'harperite' and 'zionist' now you are breaking the rules!! not assuming good faith and editing your own pages despite proven facts. For you information I am not Jewish.

--Eternalsleeper 06:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, boo hoo!

The terms 'harperite" and "zionist" are perfectly accurate depictions, according to your identifications on your page. As if you didn't know, you do not have to be Jewish to be a zionist.

I will continue to delete the JDL's libels that you maliciously continue to post. When I have the time, I will write a proper bio. In the meantime, I renew my threat to report you as an editorial abuser. Reproducing a libel cannot be defended as legitimate editing. The rules of Wikipedia state: "encyclopedic contennt must be verifiable." (Look below if you don't believe me.) Since you have never made an attempt to verify the JDL's allegations, you are in violation of Wikipedia rules.

Do us both a favour: STAY OFF MY PAGE!! It does not concern you, unless you have an overwhelming urge to defame me.

--Voxveritatis

You amuse me Mr Felton. I support the conservatives because the liberal government is corrupted and without an agenda. The page says that you appear on JDL Canada's web site, it does not say you are, it says "they claim," and that is "verifiable. No where on my page does it say that I am a Zionist regardless if I am or not. Your ridiculous allegations humor me but you are showing the true colors and all th e more reason to give credibility to the JDL claims. --Eternalsleeper 02:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You, on the other hand, do not amuse me. You feign honesty but a glance at your page confirms that you are wholly biased against anyone who attaks Israel. The fact that you are a zionist is obvious. The beste proof is that you insist on reposting the same JDL libel without bothering to verify its inaccuracy. Anyone who takes the JDL seriously is a zionist and cannot be considered an honourable person. You are a fraud and a malicious spammer. Stay off my site! I repeat: "Since you have never made an attempt to verify the JDL's allegations, you are in violation of Wikipedia rules."

--Voxveritatis

LOL Felton you were deemed not important enough to have your own wikipedia page. I will recreate it soon as the admin if he was should have put it to a vote. There are far less notable people then you on here with their page. The fellow who deleted your page apparently was Jewish or could just speak Hebrew. How many copies of your book have you sold, not including free ones? Can I buy one so I can have a more balanced approach to you? As for "violation" of wikipedia rules, you sure know a lot about the rules yet the only posting you have done is your own! You must have another account and are editing by proxy- which is AGAINST THE RULES. Secondly, name calling is also AGAINST THE RULES. I have done nothing against the rules and if I am or not a "Zionist" is irrelevant because everything I posted on your page is true. That is like ben Laden saying that he is not a terrorist.

--Eternalsleeper 20:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blah, blah blah, boo, hoo, hoo.... Quit whining you little pischer!

I lodged a complaint against you for malicious spamming, and somebody who knows more about the rules of Wikipedia than you do pulled my page. Funny, how you whinge against me for "name calling" yet you feel the need to condemn the person who pulled my page as "apparantly Jewish."

Yes, I know more about the rules of Wikipedia than you do. You are a dedicated libeler and spammer who should be banned from Wikipedia. The fact that you would bring up bin Laden in the conext of my self-defence proves that you are a lying zionist bigot with a conflict of interest.

I suggest you visit Collected Works Bookstore & Coffeebar at 1242 Wellington St. to buy a copy of my book. You might actually learn something, though I doubt it.

Don't think for one momment that I'm going to let you get away with setting up another page to defame me.

Voxveritatis 07:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know about all the rules but you just don't follow them. Now to call someone Jewish you are condemning them? It is my opinion that you are a neo-Nazi in disguise. I can believe whatever I want. How do you spam someone on Wikipedia? "A lying zionist bigot, ah, Harperite, Libeler, Spammer, Pischer." A lot of name calling. I won't go there because it's against "the rules" but I will create another page and I know of others who wish to do the same. It's just a bit hard because you are not deemed important enough to have your own page, not worthy you know?

--Eternalsleeper 16:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Felton, I really would like to thank you for saying that by assuming someone is Jewish you are condemning them. The person who deleted your page was Jewish, or he just claims to be on his wikipedia profile.

--Eternalsleeper 16:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your word "pischer" I just looked up. Are you trying to call me a little penis? [1] Please explain what the word pischer means. When your new page is created, I am going to show the admins all of these fancy derogatory insults, and the Jewish/Condemned thing so everyone knows why I am so vigorouslly in desire to make sure Canadians know Greg Felton.

--Eternalsleeper 16:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so at last you admit to having a malicious intent. As the saying goes, give a troublemaker enough rope and he'll hang himself. Thanks.

Although, I'm surprised you can ever draw breath, since you have been "strung up" numerous times for breaking Wikipedia's rules concerning honesty, conduct and relevance.

You have been chastised and reprimanded for posting copyrighted material (e.g., James Kugel, Ontario College of Teachers); and threatening and attacking another editor (re: the three-revert rule. "please also note that personal attacks are not allowed. Saying that an editor "obviously can't read" is a personal attack.[3] Comment on the edits, not the editors. -Will Beback · † · 21:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)"

Furthermore, you seem to have no qualms about plagiarizing other websites (e.g.: "Moyamoya Disease") or attacking the editors when they defend Wikipedia against your misconduct.

Also, your proccupation with shilling for the Jewish Defence League, clearly proves my point that you are a zionist thug who has no interest in an honest encyclopaedic contribution about me. You were even threatened with a block because of your grossly disrespectful behaviour. By the way, for your edification, the JDL topped the list of terrorist organizations until the mythical "al-Qa'ida" was invented. Want to read about the thuggish natire of the JDL—go to Wikipedia!:

"On December 12, 2001, Irv Rubin, JDL Chairman, and Earl Krugel, a member of the organization, were charged with conspiracy to bomb private and government property. The two allegedly were caught in the act of planning bomb attacks against the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California and on the office of U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, who is Arab-American. The two were arrested as part of a sting operation after an FBI informant named Danny Gillis delivered explosives to Krugel's home in L.A."

No wonder you love to post JDL libels about me! Do us all a favour and quit your tedious, hypocritical sermons about breaking the rules and go back to sleep. You are a waste of space. Voxveritatis 17:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Felton, I created the article James Kugel and Moya Moya disease. Moya Moya disease was the first article I created on here. Hmm, just because a JDL member was involved in a terrorist act does not make JDL a terrorist organization and they are not listed as such. I contacted the FBI to inquire and they are not deemed "terrorst" and you cannot find a single link to prove such. Ahh, yeah, I told someone they can't read because you don't know who I said that too nor do you know what they were posting. Do you know what the "3 revert rule is?" I didn't know you can't edit a page 3 times in a single day.

I don't have to call you names, your work speaks for itself. I care about Canada, and I don't really like neo-Nazis to be honest with you, and I like to expose them for what they are. Not too many people make their bread and butter from promoting hatred. From what I know about you, you don't have a problem with Israel but Jewish people. If you ever manage to sell more then 10 books I am sure the government will do something about your hatred which you promote. But at this stage you were deemed not even worthy enough of owning your own wikipedia page, not even as important as Melissa Guille or a Paul Fromm.

I am not going to argue with you anymore. You appear to be a full grown man but you are on here calling me names like pischer, zionist thug, and harperite, etc.

--Eternalsleeper 17:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Felton, why don't you mention that I also created many articles about rural Canadian communities or hockey players? Was it an attemt to disguise my Zionist agenda? How many books have you sold, 5 or 6? You were in Ottawa for a hate fest at a local library next to my house a month or so ago, I regret not going but I did write to the library to complain amongst others. Everything you say here goes into my secret Zionist computer which I distribute to CSIS and Mossad etc.

--Eternalsleeper 17:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote: "From what I know about you, you don't have a problem with Israel but Jewish people." This statement proves you to be a liar and libeler. If you had any integrity, which you don't, you would have read the numeorus articles I've written defending Jews against zionist terrorists, and my consistent defence of the victims of hatred. At least I don't have a history of reprimands from Wikipedia editors. For the record "pischer," "zionist thug," and "harperite" are accurate descriptions of you.

You can stamp your little feet all you want and feign honesty, but the fact remains, you are a notorious abused of Wikipedia; my page was pulled, as I wanted; and your little hatemongering campaign against me is over. By the way, I'm sure CSIS and Mossad have more reliable sources thann a JDL wannabe.

Now, do the country a favour and go to eternal sleep. Voxveritatis 04:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Felton, if you were not what I suggested you were, you would not have to come on here trying to defend yourself at every comment about you. Like I said, your work speaks for itself. So you wrote a page defending the Neturei Karta, good job. Now when you say "Zionist terrorists" I am cynical of what you are trying to imply. The Torah calls for a Jewish state, as does the Christian bible. My motives are not religiously based, as I am not religious, and I think following a book from thousands of years ago is absurd, but this is their belief and they are entitled to their beliefs without being accused as subhumans by folks like yourself. It is my opinion from what I have read, on your own web site, that you are attempting to promote hatred in disguise by pretending for it to be just against Zionism. I am also cynical you say what you need to for monetary gain and hopes of becoming a prominent voice like Ernst Zundel for example.

Canada is a great country, my favorite in the world, but sometimes our freedom enables bad people to promote hatred and get away with it.

I will not be writing you any further messages. If someone else deems you important and recreates your page, I will edit it, but it appears you are not worthy of your own page and very few people have heard of you. Like I said, I found your name on a mailing list by a Hamas sympathizing group.

I do not know you nor do I wish to, all I know is you are a face on the Internet which is promoting hatred and I will do my best to let others know the truth.

You obviously know nothing of me, history or the bibles. Israel is a criminal entity that is a blasphenmy of the Tanakh. Your tedious bleating about "hatred" is proof that you have nothing to say. You cannot prove any instance of hate in my writing. To assert otherwise is libelous and I could sue you.

Shut up. Voxveritatis 01:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lol neo-Nazis have tried unsuccessfully many times to sue people who call them such; look at Marc Lemire and Paul Fromm for example. I encourage you to pursue.

--Eternalsleeper 10:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Felton, if you are not a Jew Hater like JDL suggests how is calling someone Jewish a condemnation? If I said the person was Italian would you have said the same thing? I doubt it. Read the first paragraph which someone posts information about a quote from your web site. I didn't make it up. Neo-Nazis attempt vehemently to hide their hatred. You are not the first neo-Nazi I have come across but you all are like one broken record. Again, you are not important enough to have your own page. It's not because you don't want it that it is gone, just no one has heard of you and your name on google isn't very known either.

--Eternalsleeper 10:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blah! Blah! You are pathetic. You have nothing to say and so you hurl the all-purpose zionist eptithets like "ne-nazi" and "Jew hater" oblivious to the fact that these terms clearly apply to zionists. You have never produced one example of this alleged hatrewd, so I am forced to assume that you, like the rest of your addle-pated ilk, are too ignorant to read. You also obviously don't know how to use Google, since "Greg Felton" registers thousands of hits, not all of which are me, of course.

Voxveritatis 19:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

oh, i am very sorry Greg, I didn't know you were famous. My name on google brings up 75 million pages. Regardless, you say I have no evidence of the allegations I suggested. I would like for you to answer how is it a condemnation to suggest that one is Jewish? I will anxiously wait for your answer.

--Eternalsleeper 22:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the way you dismessed the person who deleted my page. I was mocking you! Try again. Go to my website and try to find any instance of hatred towards Jews. Go on—I dare ya! I double-dog dare ya! Voxveritatis 02:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I didn't know you had a web site?

--Eternalsleeper 04:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Warning.

Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia, as you did to Greg Felton. If you would like to experiment please use the sandbox. Thank you.

If you intend to make notes that "zionists are libeling" someone,^[2] it better be linked to a highly credible source next time. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 00:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Be Careful

Jaakobou: I suggest you take your own advice. I have never written a defamatory comment. My statement "zionists are libeling me" is not only accurate, but cannot be considered defamatory because I am not addressing myself to any person in particular. For the record, if you want to read about one such zionist libeler please see: [[Ezra Levant], who has falsely asserted that I once wrote for National Vanguard [3]].

Levant's comments about me are ad hominem and and fallacious. Voxveritatis 20:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

please go over WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:NOT. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 05:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name calling

I strongly suggest that you refrain from making any more accusations or calling me names, or suggest that I am conspiring against you with a Zionist agenda. Please review the wikipedia rules before making further edits, and remember you are only allowed to use one account (You have appeared or someone claiming to be Greg Felton has used multiple). Thank you!

--Eternalsleeper 05:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:75.153.84.91 which illustrates that you have been warned in regards to editing your own article and removing documented materials. Thank you.

--Eternalsleeper 05:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Voxveritatis 07:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC) I stand by everyhting that I have said. Grow up or get lost![reply]

Voxveritatis

Advice

I realize you are upset, but please calm down. Angry words don't help your cause. They just make things more complicated for those looking in.--Slp1 02:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but please tell me why someone hasn't banned eternalsleeper before now. From his talk page and his defamatory comments about me, he is a troblemaker who does not do credit to Wikipedia. Voxveritatis 18:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

there are no defamatory comments about you by me. i simply posted a link from canada.com which suggests greg felton wrote for the national vanguard and appears on the jewish defense league web site as a jew hater. I didn't write any of that, I'm just quoting two sites. You have sworn at me, accused me of libeling you, tell me that calling someone Jewish is belittling, used multiple accounts with an anonymous IP, as you can see on greg felton's page, eternalsleeper's page, and doubleblue's page, and here you are complaining about me breaking the rules. for your information i have edited over 1,000 pages, 95% which have nothing to do with zionism. Greg felton is not immune from criticism, especially due to the nature of his writings which are extremely controversial.

--Eternalsleeper 07:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blah, Blah, blah. You are a legend in your own mind. You have libeled me by reposting Ezra Levant's original libel, or does that simple fact not compute? You are not interested in criticism. You are interested in defamation, as can be seen from the history of misconduct on your own talk page. Voxveritatis 14:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Greg Felton

An editor has nominated Greg Felton, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Felton and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 21:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Greg, As you can see above I have nominated the article about you for deletion, and am hoping that we can get some feedback from the community about whether you meet the notability criteria around here. Hopefully you won't be offended. And I honestly think it may be to your benefit to have the article zapped again. Slp1 (talk) 22:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

I am just an editor like you, but thanks for the compliment! You can report the conduct of other users at Wikiquette alerts, or adminstrator's noticeboard . The problem at the moment, to be honest, is that you are giving as good as you are getting. Ignoring him would be much better policy and would serve you much better in the long term if you ever do want to seek help at the above forums. Please note that being blocked only occurs in serious circumstances, and changing one's mind vociferously is not one of them. Slp1 (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your note

Hi there. I just happened across your page when I went to check out the user talk page of another editor. I've read some of your articles before and I hate to see a page get deleted when there is something that can be written there. I'm sorry for all the trouble you've endured over libellous statements being inserted there. Some editors do not understand basic Wikipedia policies and have an axe to grind. We try our best to limit their influence, but it's not always possible. Anyway, best of luck in the new year and thanks for your kind compliment. Tiamut 15:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANI Notice

For your information: User:Eternalsleeper took your above advice and started a thread about your behavior. See WP:ANI#User talk:Voxveritatis. - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...Me neither! I gave out a few ANI notices with about 10 minutes, and I guess I must have mixed some up. Sorry about that. - Rjd0060 (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]