User talk:Voice of Clam/Archives/2022

Draft:Christopher Mizzell‎

I flagged this as an attack page since it names two individuals other than the author who may well greatly object to being named in this way. It may be simple teenage angst, but it may not be. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   18:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

They may object to being named, but it doesn't attack them directly. Whilst it will obviously be declined, it doesn't meet any speedy criteria, IMO. See the essay WP:NDRAFT. — Voice of Clam 18:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:User-created public domain images without user-name has been nominated for discussion

Category:User-created public domain images without user-name has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

When you warn the wrong user

Plip!

It's okay, we all make silly mistakes sometimes. There have been many cases where admins have accidentally blocked accounts for vandalism. Don't worry about making mistakes, as long as you don't delete the main page. :)2601:647:5800:1A1F:CC8C:A172:8294:A7DC (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

My bad - I deleted the attack page and blamed the wrong anon user. I'll take the trout for that — Voice of Clam 19:21, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Administrator activity policy update

Hello, Voice of Clam. This message is to let you know about a change to the administrator policy:

The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.

Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:

1. Made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least a 12-month period OR
2. Made fewer than 100 edits over a 60-month period

Administrators at risk for being desysopped under these criteria will continue to be notified ahead of time. Thank you for your continued work. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Explosions on 21 April 2022 in Afghanistan

Hi. sorry, you deleted the Explosions on 21 April 2022 in Afghanistan and linked it to the 2022 Mazar-i-Sharif mosque bombing while we just were discussing deleting or keeping it on the talk page. M1nhm (talk) 09:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I didn't delete it, I merely redirected it to another article that covers the same topic but was created earlier. The original article is still in the page history, and can be added to 2022 Mazar-i-Sharif mosque bombing if necessary. — Voice of Clam 09:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up, as the change I made was the result of an uncontested PROD, you are welcome to revert it back to the original article if you want. — Voice of Clam 10:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I mentioned it before on the talk page : ... the 2022 Mazar-i-Sharif mosque bombing just only targeted one of 21 April 2022 explosions in Afghanistan while several separate explosions occurred in different parts of Afghanistan on the same day. I think, all events are important, large or small, major or minor and must be addressed. Each of these events caused of killing tens of civilians including children and women. Now can we revert the Explosions on 21 April 2022 in Afghanistan? M1nhm (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

As it was a PROD, you could have removed it at any time, as stated when you were notified about it. As the article wasn't deleted you are free to revert my change. — Voice of Clam 15:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

APPLICATION FOR MENTORSHIP

I am looking for a mentor. I wanna go through a course under your tutelage for a period of time that you determine for a counter vandalism course and/or a course on proper page creation. After which I will be given rollback and new page reviewer privileges. I'm reaching out to you because I wanna do this the proper way. It will be a honor to learn. Cheers Amaekuma (talk) 07:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. — Voice of Clam 08:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Would you happen to know the horsepower of the old TR tamper?

Specifically, the Matisa one. I haven't been able to find that out anywhere, and I felt like you, a TR volunteer, who likely had experience with it, might know, or at the very least, would be able to ask. Also, could you fix its section formatting (it looks off compared to the other ones in sold locomotives)? Thank you very much - 108.48.97.70 (talk) 22:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC).

I've fixed the table format - I'll see if I can find any referenced material about the Matisa. — Voice of Clam 06:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

That's great to hear! - 108.48.97.70 (talk) 13:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC).

No information either in the Rolling Stock book or John Bate's own book, which are the two most likely possibilities. As the tamper was only designed to propel itself, plus possibly a lightweight trolley, the HP was probably never measured. — Voice of Clam 21:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Angelo Rossi (musician)

You deleted Angelo Rossi (musician) without a AfD. Please restore to my sandbox. Send me a message on myt talk page when you have done so. Trackinfo (talk) 05:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Voice of Clam 09:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Battle of the Saints (cricket)

Hi, It seems like you deleted Battle of the Saints (cricket) page. Is there any way I can get the content of this page? Killswitch 125 13:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Killswitch125, it was deleted as an uncontested PROD (reason "Non-notable inter-school match which fails WP:NCRIC and WP:GNG. Largely based around WP:NOTSTATS.") If you are contesting this, I can restore it per WP:DEPROD, otherwise I can restore it into your name space if you prefer. Let me know. — Voice of Clam 13:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

If you restore it per WP:NOTSTATS, what do I need to do to keep the article from being removed in the future? Because the stats in that page are just cricket scores, and the only thing I can do to explain them is to link external references, and perhaps add more explanation from a high level to explain the rivalry. Killswitch 125 13:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think the subject of this article has much hope of surviving an AfD if I were to restore it, as it does not seem to be notable. You can ask at WP:CRICKET for further advice, but the best I can suggest is that I move it into your user space. Do you want me to do this? — Voice of Clam 15:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Yep, let's move it to my user space then. Thanks! Killswitch 125 15:43, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done - moved to User:Killswitch125/Battle of the Saints (cricket). — Voice of Clam 16:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

A small thank you

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For all the excellent work you do cleaning up railway-related articles. Your contributions are appreciated. 157.131.122.202 (talk) 00:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks — Voice of Clam 08:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Another good example: [1]. Thanks again, 157.131.122.202 (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

PRODs

Hello, Voice of Clam,

I just wanted to thank you for regularly checking out articles that have been PROD'd. There's just a couple admins (you, me, Explicit and sometimes GB fan) who seem to remember that PRODs exist out there and it's good to have a few different people covering this area of the project and making sure to review articles and files that have been PROD'd and ensure that they are deleted (or aren't) according to guidelines.

By the way, every time I see your username in a deletion notice, I want to ask you about it. There's a joke in my family that at my brother's job with a U.S. county public information department, there was once an emergency protocol PowerPoint presentation they all had to attend and the director mistakenly wrote in big letters on a slide, "It's important to always be CLAM!" So, we often say to each other, "Just be clam, already!". I'm sure your name has nothing to do with staying clam in a crisis but I still smile every time I see "Voice of Clam". Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. You're half right with the name; it actually comes from a misprint I once read on a hymn sheet for the final line of Dear Lord and Father of Mankind. — Voice of Clam 22:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I've now included the derivation on my user page. — Voice of Clam 08:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Note

Hey, Voice of Clam,

I thought I'd alert you to an annoying new troll we have that is impersonating you. What they like to do is go to blocked editors' talk pages where they have posted an unblock request and decline their request, insulting them in the process and signing your name as the admin who responded. You can look at the page history on User talk:Albwiki001 to see some examples of their work. I don't know why they picked you but it is confusing the blocked editors and you might be getting more pings than usual when it takes admins or editors a while to go and revert this vandalism.

I hope you are otherwise having a good weekend! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:37, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: thanks - I suspect it's all connected to the sockpuppetry at User talk:Judication. I'm keeping my eyes on it. — Voice of Clam 08:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Malabar Singh Thapa

I noticed you deleted the article Malabar Singh Thapa. It was prodded during a period that I was disconnected from Wikipedia. I'd ask that it be undeleted, as notability is easily verified (see here regarding his appointed as cabinet minister http://archive.nepalitimes.com/blogs/thebrief/2012/03/23/newly-appointed/ ) -- Soman (talk) 11:43, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Soman: Undeleted per WP:DEPROD. Please address the issues that led to it being nominated for deletion, otherwise it may fail a WP:RfD. — Voice of Clam 20:02, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks. Actually, the current version of the article already includes referenced info that he was a member of national parliament, thus easily passes WP:NPOL. --Soman (talk) 20:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Biscayneer & Monarch

Hi Voice of Clam, First, I obviously noted that you deleted several pages. Please keep in mind that the xxxx (ship) pages are ship indexes, and not articles, or DABs. Like Lists, they have a lot looser rules. There are many List pages that are all primary sources and none of the items on the list is notable. If you look at some of the HMS xxxx pages, they are replete with red links that will never become articles because as you go back past the late 18th century we find less and less info. Sometimes all we have is evidence of existence, and sometimes we may find that in 1754 the vessel captured a French privateer. It is costless to add that info, even if it is not enough to create notability for a ship article. It is also a good place to park some info that is more obscure so that if someone does create the article, they can readily find the info. Furthermore, the British Admiralty was very good about not having two serving vessels with the same name, but occasionally, for instance, a vessel launched in England and a French prize taken in the Caribbean might bear the same name, at least until the Admiralty found out and mandated a name change for one or the other. At the time the French navy had no such scruples and so it is not uncommon for two or more serving warships to all have the same name. With merchant vessels the situation is even more chaotic. Frequently many vessels with the same name coexist. It requires a lot more info to help someone that gets to the ship index page to determine that this Biscayneer is not that Biscyaneer, or this Monarch is not that Monarch, and is not HMS Monarch. (I have found people who have assumed that all British ships are HMS xxxx.) And then there are the vessels with the same name, launch year, and launch place. I don't know who the reader is (historian, local historian, genealogist, person interested in whaling or the slave trade, Wikipedia surfer, or ...). I just try to provide info that helps them follow their interest or answers a question they have, or helps them realize they need more info than WP has. Second, WP is a 21st century network, not just a 20th century book transferred to the cloud. The articles, lists ship indexes, DABs, etc., are the nodes. The links, categories, and the like link the nodes. As Elon Musk would insist, the value of a network depends on the number of actual nodes. So would someone surfing WP, following their curiosity from one place to another. If an article is not notable, declare it a stub. About 2-3 weeks ago an editor found a book published in 2022 and with a few sentences from that book turned a not notable article I had created in 2021 into a notable article, with links to some other WP articles as well. Had my article not existed, it is not at all clear that the editor, who knew nothing about ships, would have created the now notable article. Furthermore, stubs can be improved. I have found several cases of stubs that were nothing more than a listing of voyages the vessel made transporting convicts to New South Wales, without even inline citations. I have been able to find convict voyages to Tasmania, migrant voyages, whaling voyages, other items of the vessel's history, etc. Readers of WP are probably not going to feel delight that we have a page on Paris, or Sydney. (Our article will frequently be more badly written, and less professional than that in a book.) However, a genealogist tracking their ancestry may be delighted to find that we have the vessel that brought their ancestor, and to know a little more about that vessel. Some stubby articles are straight transfers of material in public domain and we can enhance them, improving them incrementally. There was one case, some years ago, where I found a DANFS-based stub. I built it out, adding info from before the vessel's entry into the US Navy and her history after the Navy sold her. Another editor found what I had done and created a DYK that garnered over 100K views. My point is simply that stubs, and lists, and ship indexes facilitate articles starting, growing incrementally, or even not growing much, but switching from non-notable to notable. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

The articles were deleted as expired WP:PRODs. You are welcome to request undeletion at WP:DEPROD, or you could have removed the PROD tag at any point before they were deleted, as was detailed on your talk page. However I strongly suggest you consider the reasons they were proposed for deletion, otherwise they may be nominated for WP:AFD. In particular see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. — Voice of Clam 17:37, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Voice of Clam: I was not contesting the deletion, though I would request that you transfer the deleted articles to my namespace so that if I ever find material that makes them notable I can restore them. My first point above had nothing to do with the articles being deleted. I was pointing out that ship indexes are not DABs and play by different rules. I was hoping to encourage you to undo your mistake. Acad Ronin (talk) 11:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

These "ship indexes" seem to have the purpose of linking to ships that are unrelated apart from the name. As such, they appear to be nothing more than disambiguation pages, and therefore should follow the guidelines at MOS:DAB. I see you've reverted my changes, but I'm not going to get into an edit war about it, as I simply don't have time this weekend. However I'll raise the matter for discussion next week. — Voice of Clam 18:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Ignore that - I 've just found and read WP:SIA, a guideline I'd not come across before. You're right and I'm wrong, so I apologise. It just shows that even after 16 years of editing, I still have things to learn. I'll deprod the ship articles to your user space later when I have time. — Voice of Clam 19:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Articles restored and moved to User:Acad Ronin/Monarch (1804 ship) and User:Acad Ronin/Biscayneer (1783 ship) as requested. — Voice of Clam 09:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks. And I will try and restrain myself from creating non-notable articles. (Almost always they are the result of my gathering info while trying to figure out which Biscayneer or Monarch is which, and then not excising judgement.) I hadn't realized how much they offend some editors. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC).

AfD Baresa

Hi - I found one of your photos and wondered if you can help us discuss the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baresa, Eritrea? Thanks. JMWt (talk) 17:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Left comments on AfD page. — Voice of Clam 18:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)