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Valzer delle candele

Hello, it is not true that my update is silly season" practical joke. My updated is with source, not only the Italian newspaper (as you wrote). http://www.marisalivet.com/blog---the-soap-bubbles-vendor/lets-sing-a-carol-along is not a newpaper. In any case, there is written in many books and scores that Davide Rizzio is composer of "Valzer delle candele": for example in Piemonte magico e misterioso by Renzo Rossotti (edited by Newton Compton, Rome). Here http://robertobrumat.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/italiano-il-valzer-delle-candele/ you can read all history about Davide Rizzio. If you do not know a thing, this doesn't mean that it is false.--Vito.Vita (talk) 12:26, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it just ain't so. Auld Lang Syne is not a "waltz" anyway, so either Valzer delle candele is misnamed (a waltz in 4/4 time?) or it is not the same melody as Auld Lang Syne". Published scores often misattribute music and do not constitute "reliable sources" in themselves - nor does a personal or commercial website or blog. -Soundofmusicals (talk) 13:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have spent a few happy hours surfing the web for Valzer delle candele (in plain English "the candle waltz"), including listening to several Italian people singing it. It certainly has pretty much the same melody line as Auld Lang Syne, but it DOES feel more like a slow waltz than the fairly brisk march of the original. Whether this is more because it is simply a slower version, or because the time signature HAS actually has been changed I am not, to be honest, enough of a musician to pick with any certainty. More to the point, for every place where it is stated that Davide Rizzio wrote the original melody, there are nine or ten places where that melody is very simply described as "Traditional Scots", or, "based on a song by Robert Burns", or words to that effect. Where Davide Rizzio IS mentioned the wording seems suspiciously similar, as if they are all copying each other. There are in fact other Scottish strathspeys (what we call a dance tune to that particular rhythm) that are very similar to the "Auld Lang Syne" - among them the tune to "Comin' through the rye". A clincher, while the Rizzio bit DID get into the Italian version of the article, it got edited out again (and NOT by me). I'd like to know - when exactly did "The candle waltz" become popular? That is, which Italian singer actually introduced it, rather than covering it? It seems surprising that if "The Candle Waltz" is an Italian folk song that has been around for a while that we haven't mentioned the fact in this article before.

Having said all this we probably need a mention of Valzer delle candele being an Italian version of "Auld Lang Syne", (with very different words set to a much slower version of the melody) and even (perhaps) that some (Italian) people attribute the melody to Rizzio. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 08:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

None of the "sources" you have found fill the requirements for a "reliable source" (something we can use as a reference on Wikipedia). Read this page.--Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:24, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]