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December 2016

Please stop using Wikipedia for promoting the Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality, as you did at Catholic spirituality, Christian mysticism and Outline of spirituality. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me, I'm simply a "fan" of it. If you consider some links as advertisement please feel free to modify or to delete it.--Urmelbeauftragter 08:08, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I fully understand your enthusiasm; the center looks very interesting to me. It's just that it's WP:UNDUE to give it so much coverage. For a crude comparison: American Evangelism is more relevant for the contemporary world than these eclectic, liberal centers of modern spirituality... Tribal consciousness may not be covered that deep, actually. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Haus der Begegnung

Das darf doch wohl nicht wahr sein, dass Haus der Begegnung ein roter link ist, sogar auch auf deutsch. Dehm-Verlag ist jetzt ein redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Student Initiative Rahel

You have been adding descriptions of Student Initiative Rahel in a very promotional way in articles and giving it undue weight. Please read the link to WP:UNDUE that Joshua Jonathan mentioned above. Also, if you have a connection to this program, you should read Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies (WP:COI) before editing any further. Sincerely, Tdslk (talk) 23:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

• Urmelbeauftragter, I also agree that these sections are overdone. I do not necessarily agree they are spam, and I think that judgment by Tdslk is too harsh, but something has to give. The amount of detail about the organization you seem to be advocating for in this edit, for instance, is too much. (Note also that words like "woman" or "scholarship" should not be wikilinked.) So this is not to say that all of that needs to go, but certainly some of it. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Drmies! Why you have placed the Template:Primary sources in the article. I'm not a member of the project I didn't use use sources from the project but also other sources like from the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper. Ok, it seems to me that there were too much details in the related articles. I will change them.--Urmelbeauftragter 17:00, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding this same thing all over

Not sure adding the same generic non informative paragraph on many main pages will help our readers. I understand your a fan on this one organization...but just adding the same paragraph all over to get traffic to the one article is a bit much. There is not relevernt data or any info that makes this organization stand-out for the many many others like it. Is see others have also reverted the additions...perhaps best to come up with some data or something relevant to these main pages ?-- Moxy (talk) 17:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:PROMOTION

You have to understand that trying to spam the same thing into as many articles as possible tends to stretch my assumption of good faith. It seems as if you are engaging in WP:PROMOTION of these subjects. Regardless of whether or not you have an actual conflict of interest, this kind of promotional activity is heavily frowned upon here at Wikipedia. This is a non-commercial enterprise with a neutrality policy which prevents us from providing a platform for advertising and promotion. Elizium23 (talk) 01:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Personal interests are promotion? And what has personal interests to do with commercial enterprises? Why I have a Conflict of Interest if I'm interested in something? For example I have nothing to do with the OVC project of the Eparchie of Adigrat in Ethiopia. I have heard of it from a member of Student Initiative Rahel who told from it in a church service. Why this is advertising and promotion?--Urmelbeauftragter 10:40, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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It seems to me it's better now.--Urmelbeauftragter 17:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

You need to put it on the nominations' page, if you haven't done so, under the date when the article was created, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I thought I've already done it?--Urmelbeauftragter 18:51, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

How would I know. The bot tells you you didn't. Did you add it now? - Different topic: by reviewed, it's not any article reviewed. It's review one DYK nomination checking it against the criteria. For the first five nominations, no review is needed. I guess this is only your second, right? My advice: strike all these "reviews" which don't count anyway, and all entries made to the nomination after the initial one need a signature. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok I checked, it's nominated, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, I've removes all "reviewed"-entries.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! - see also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

When we will hear the English version of Laudato si’ translated by Gerda Arendt?--Urmelbeauftragter 21:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I won't translate but write a short one for the English readers, my Christmas gift, and the magic little thing in the title is not curled here, will be Laudato si' (oratorio), - compare Laudato si' ;) - From tomorrow to Christmas, I will have a DYK every day, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

No no no, I mean: When will we HEAR the oratorio performed in English "translated by Gerda Arendt"? And furthermore: I will never reach you in number of DYK nominations ... ;-) --Urmelbeauftragter 22:00, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Ahh! No, we perform Die Entführung aus dem Serail in German, and will leave the language mix of Latin / German / Italian / Hewbrew untouched ;) - DYK noms are not about competition, but make things known ;) - Wrote the 151st DYK review of 2016 today, which will not be the last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh no! You won't write an English text version of the oratorio?--Urmelbeauftragter 17:17, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

To translate texts with music to a different language is an unrewarding job that leaves you never satisfied. The same vowels with the same stresses should appear on same notes, with the adequate meaning of course, - hardly ever matches. Compromises would be needed, and some of them bad ones, - no thank you ;) - Btw, did you notice that the Malwina who appeared on SG with the oratorio drew 70k+ hits? My Teaser ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Malwina? What's this? 70k+ hits? I had only 4k+ hits with the oratorio on :de: ... *sniff* --Urmelbeauftragter 22:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Life is not fair, and my memory was wrong, only 21.777, de:Malvina Schnorr von Carolsfeld, but she had a tough life, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

She was unknown to me until now. ;-) But you brought me to test a nomination the first time and it worked. In :en: I had no luck until now with Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality, Student Initiative Rahel or OVC project. Let's wait and see ... ::::::::::::::::

Patience is sometimes needed, - the oldest nomination was approved today, after 3 months, - btw: if an image is there, it needs a caption, and the always same (pictured) after what is pictured. I failed to see any relation of coffee ceremony to project in the article, so good luck ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh jes, the Rahel project used Ethiopian coffee ceremonies at charity events but not the OVC project. It seems to me it's not the right picture for this nomination ... Hmmmmm ... But I didn't want to use the same picture for the OVC project like for the Rahel project.--Urmelbeauftragter 22:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I exchanged the pictures with each other. This makes more sense ... --Urmelbeauftragter 22:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Seven of eight DYK have to go without image. To nominate pictures that will not be taken is a waste of time, also for the reviewer who has to check licensing. This pic was not taken. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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What can I do for it?--Urmelbeauftragter 10:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, I posted my statement concerning the Talk page of article Advent there--Urmelbeauftragter 13:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

@JustBerry: And what happens now with this dispute? Can I add a picture or a video of an Advent labyrinth to the article Advent or not?--Urmelbeauftragter 12:48, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

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Except of one point I could fix the issues.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:35, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Have you made any progress on that one point? You said you were looking for further sourcing. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I've made some research on the point that the Centre was the first institution of its kind in Germany. I've found no source that this was right but I've found also no source that it was wrong. I've made a new article with my results which is only available in German until now on Meditationskirche. It was as far as I could found the first christian centre of meditation in Germany. There is only one further in a Protestant church in Hamburg but this was founded in 2009. But the centre in Frankfurt was founded in 2007.--Urmelbeauftragter 16:24, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for OVC project

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Opinion

hi, a discussion has been opened to delete some categories about churches among them catholic and orthodox I would like to have your opinion here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 January 21--Warairarepano&Guaicaipuro (talk) 12:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Student Initiative Rahel

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It has been over two weeks, and you still have not addressed the issues that BU Rob13 pointed out still need work. Please respond soon if you wish this nomination to continue. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality

On 14 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in the Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality in Frankfurt, visitors can walk through a labyrinth of burning tealights (pictured) one Saturday each year? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Precious

locomotive spirituality

Thank you for quality articles such as Holy Cross - Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality and LNER Peppercorn Class A1 60163 Tornado, for the German Laudato si’, for initiative in Ethiopia, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Look for Helmut here: your pic! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes I've seen it! Best wishes for your nomination.--Urmelbeauftragter 11:01, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

A year ago, you were recipient no. 1581 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much ... But I'm not very active in the moment.--Urmelbeauftragter 22:32, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Two years now, it's forever, and Happy Valentine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

... so three, flowers --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Services

Good to see your name again on my watchlist! - I doubt that it's worth mentioning in a single church's article that service were interrupted because of the pandemic. Imagine we'd do that to all church articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

It's because the complete program of the meditation centre was cancelled not only the services. --Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 08:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but is that encyclopedic? - Every opera house noting when closed, when resumed a bit? I'd say no. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Even if this changes the program listed in the article? --Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 10:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. In the churches and opera houses I write about, I don't list shut-down and limited reopening, - it's nothing particular to a place. You may want to see - on my talk, bottom - what I told someone who wrote way too much detail, in that case a pianist's bio. Imagine a reader in 2030 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Urmelbeauftragter, wikipedia is not a newspaper (WP:NOTNEWS), announcements of closure or reopening [1] do not appear to be appropriate in an encyclopedia. JimRenge (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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Six years!

We'll sing Peter Reulein's Te Deum in Idstein 6 May, 7pm, and 7 May, 5pm, international collaboration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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I've translated the article from German Wikipedia. I couldn't add more than the 9 sources which are already in the article. Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Seven years!

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@CptViraj Sorry, I don't understand why the article Melanie Gabriel was moved because it hast nearly the Same content as in the German language Wikipedia. Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry but it wasn't me who performed the move, it was done by Scope creep. The move reason mentions "no sources, more sources needed". As the page has been deleted, I nor they as non-admins can see the content of the page, you still may want to ask them if they remember or you can simply request it's undeletion and improve it in the draftspace and then go through the AFC process. Thanks! -- CptViraj (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will tryvto understand why the conditions for articles Here are different from German language Wikipedia and how the article could bei restored. Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 17:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I've added some sources for example from Discogs, Rate Your Music, PeterGabriel.com and Genesis News Com. I will add this additions too to the German article Melanie Gabriel where the article exists since 2013. Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 07:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Melanie Gabriel (August 25)

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Atlantic306 (talk) 21:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I cannot found more sources by searching in search machines. In German language wikipedia exists sice 2007 without problems and was reviewed by a member of the music editorial team who answered: "... könnte mir aber nicht vorstellen, dass es für die enWiki nicht ausreichend sein sollte. Wenn ich sehe, mit welchen Quellen dort im Chartbereich gerarbeitet wird, grausam. Und der Artikel hier ist sauber belegt, also wüsste ich nicht, warum man den dann in den Wartungsbereich verschieben sollte." ("But I can't imagine that it wouldn't be sufficient for the enWiki. When I see what sources are used there in the chart area, it's cruel. And the article here is clearly documented, so I don't see why it should be moved to the maintenance area."), see: de:Benutzer_Diskussion:ChrisHardy/Archiv/2024#Melanie_Gabriel. Urmelbeauftragter (talk) 07:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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