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napan re????

Reeeeeeeee gardas where are you ama? lol. We got problems of the Turkish people article again. I'm not sure if the dispute is genuine or if it's a bunch of Turkish haterz again. Would appriciate your help tamam? Some dude is trying to call the entire Turkish population Turkiye Turkleri...Justinz84 (talk) 22:56, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Iyiyim gardas sen napan? Kibris Turk Hava Yollari went bust so I was stuck in Cyprus till I could get a flight with AtlasJet! I just went on to look at the article now. I'm going to add my thoughts on the discussion page.Turco85 (Talk) 09:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

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Citing chapters in edited books

Hi. When you add a citation to a chapter in an edited book, such as with this edit, you need to give the author and title of the individual chapter cited. In that edit, you cite the book editors, but they are not the authors of the chapter that the page cited is part of. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The same applies to this recent edit. That book contains chapters by lots of different authors. When citing them, you need to give details of the author of the chapter being cited, rather than listing the book editor as the author. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
✔ Done. Regards. Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 15:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok sorry I didnt realise I had to do that. Thank you Deutsch-Türkçe-English.Turco85 (Talk) 18:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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sample

Evet, yapabilirim, ama aslinda sen de yapabilirsin :) Audacity diye bir ücretsiz program vardir, onunla her türlü mp3-ten sample kesebilirsin ve wikipedia'ya yükleyebilmek icin .ogg olarak save edebilirsin. --Timish ¤ Gül Bahçesi 10:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Bir deneyim bakayim :P I'll let you know if I need more help. Cok tesekkurler. Turco85 (Talk) 22:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

re: Can you please help me

Hi Joseph48! I have seen that you have created samples of Işın Karaca's songs on the English wiki. If I was to send you a song would you be able to create a short sample of it for me please? I eagerly wait for your reply. Turco85 (Talk) 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Turco85, for commercial songs there are two requirements: 1) It has to be a sample about 20 seconds at most. 2) It has to be in low quality. If you do it that way, I don't think that there will be any problem. If you send me the song I could encode it for you. --joseph msg 12:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
You can e-mail me via this page --joseph msg 12:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok I have just emailed you. Thank you so much in advance.Turco85 (Talk) 22:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Merhaba Joseph, artik mesajlarımdan bıktınız herhalde ama size yineden çok teşekkür ederim, yardımınız ve zahmetiniz için. Iyi aksamlar.Turco85 (Talk) 22:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Yardımcı olduysam ne mutlu, iyi akşamlar. --joseph msg 18:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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turkish people

So What is your problem with the article now? I'm not a mind reader! If there are problems please share them on the discussion page. But I don't see any more disputes.Turco85 (Talk) 08:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not my problem. There are problems of Wikipedia. Please compare them. In that article, Turkish citizens and ethnic Turkish people are confused. And numbers are exaggerated. It's very clear. Takabeg (talk) 12:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
We cannot make up figures! We can only use what the references tell us. The footnotes section already says that the figure only includes Turkish citizens so I don't see what your problem is. I don't see you putting dispute tags on other articles which only shows citizen stats- which is in most articles. At least we have a footnote (which no other article has) which clearly states this. Don't place dispute tags if you are not even communicating with other users... I am not a mind reader.Turco85 (Talk) 18:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
We cannot make up figures. We can only use what the references tell us. The footnotes section already says that the figure only includes Turkish citizens so I don't see what your problem is. You seem to forget that just because it only shows citizens it does not make the ethic Turkish population any smaller... The figures does not include ethnic Turks who are born in these countries or those who have been naturalised. The figures also do not include Turks born in Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Macedonia, Kosovo, Syria, Iraq or another other traditional areas of Turkish settlement. I don't see you putting dispute tags on other articles which only shows citizen stats- which is in most articles. At least we have a footnote (which no other article has) which clearly states this. Don't place dispute tags if you are not even communicating with other users... I am not a mind reader.Turco85 (Talk) 18:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
That article is about ethnic Turkish people. Of course we can/must include Turkish populations abroad. But we mustn't include other ethnic groups of Turkish citizens. It's very clear. Footnotes cannot legitimate these errors. Takabeg (talk) 14:47, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


Then why don't you find the source which only shows the ethnic Turkish population? As I said before at least there is a footnote which says that the figures only include Turkish citizens. There is not much else that I can do. The only thing that I find annoying is that you don't seem to have this same problem with other ethnic group articles. If you look at the Bulgarians, Greeks, Russians, Germans etc etc articles many of these only include citizen figures and the articles do not even mention this. But I don't see you putting dispute tags on these articles. As I keep saying, we have put a footnote which makes it a balanced article; there is not much else that we can do. It is not in our power to interpret these figures differently. Turco85 (Talk) 14:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
We mustn't use and must remove information and sources that define to deal with Turkish citizens. Do you understand ? Takabeg (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

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Then find source which only shows the ethnic Turkish population first then. But let me ask why have you not got this same problem which other articles which only show citizen stats for? You seem to be very biased. You are obviously pro-Kurdish which I don't have a problem with but you also seem anti-Turkish we I do have a problem with. Turco85 (Talk) 15:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
What do you want to say ? Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Takabeg (talk) 15:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

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Takabeg, it is not a personal attack and you know that. I observe the contributions which users make including you. You seem to be very pro-Kurdish which I have no problem with. But you also seem anti-Turkish in your edits. I have already said to you that the numbers do not include ethnic Turks from other countries yet you do not seem to care about this. Furthermore, I have pointed out that you do not seem to object to other articles only using stats which shows citizens… you only seem to have a problem with the Turkish people article. We have tried to be neutral in the article by placing a footnote yet you still have problems. What is the solution takabeg? Turco85 (Talk) 15:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
My contributions are especially about Turkey including Turkish, Kurdish etc issues. And I only transfer information from Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. So it's impossible for me to edit with bias. And I tried to neutralize articles. So maybe some users want to edit according to their ethnic bias, I may be seemed to be anti-X, anti-Y. But for users without such biases it is not a question. Takabeg (talk) 16:11, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Taken from the discussion board:

Turco 85 obviously abused Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Takabeg (talk) 16:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I noticed him. But he abused again. Takabeg (talk) 16:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest you develop a thicker skin. He vehemently disagrees but I am not so sure that it qualifies as a personal attack. Someone else might disagree and that's fine. JodyB talk 16:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
That's definitely not a personal attack. Not even uncivil. Just a disagreement. Access Denied – talk to me 16:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Can we use such expressions in English Wikipedia ? If possıble, I'll use them. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 16:17, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not censored. Just don't go over the top. Access Denied – talk to me 16:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

100% not a personal attack. Vodello (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Ethnic Turkish nationalism

Yes as I have already said I keep track of what many users contribute, including you. As for your sources I don't think you do use reliable sources. For example, you have tried to inflate the number of Kurds by using Joshua Project! However, I do not want to diverge from the main issue here. I suggest you try to work with me and discuss issues. Assume good faith rather than trying to blackmail me by reporting me to admins. All you have done is try to avoid my question to you. Why do you have a problem with the Turkish people article using stats based on citizens which is clearly footnoted yet you haven’t got this same problem with other article which do not even mention that citizen figures include minorities?. Turco85 (Talk) 18:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

If you feel Joshua Project is not reliable sources, you can use Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. To exaggerate the population of the ethnic Turks, shows ethnic Turkish nationalism by itself. Takabeg (talk) 23:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
I know discours of both the Turkish nationalist and the Kurdish nationalist. So it's very easy for me to find those edits. In English Wikipedia I found frequently the former. I recommend you to read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view again. Takabeg (talk) 00:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
So Takabeg, you are still avoiding my question even though I have put it in bold font for you. Maybe this discussion is going nowhere as you clearly have no reason. When don't you illustrate to me which figures you believe to be exaggerated? I recommend that you read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view as you are clearly trying to create different numbers from statistics. We already have a footnote [for the millionth time!] which says which figures only include citizens... this is not a form of nationalism it is in fact a neutral and accurate statement. Please answer my initial question or just stop wasting my time. Turco85 (Talk) 12:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Artık beni güldürmek için enerjini harcama :) Maddeleri aç. Takabeg (talk) 12:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Mesela List of recipients of the Medal of Independence with Red-Green Ribon açar mısın ? Takabeg (talk) 12:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Furthermore, if you look at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard (look at the following link: [1]) Joshua Project has already been discussed. It is not considered to be a reliable source. Therefore either remove the Joshua Project source from the Kurdish diaspora otherwise I shall.Turco85 (Talk) 12:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Konsensüsün oluşturuludğunu göremedim. Takabeg (talk) 12:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


You call me a Turkish nationalist yet you’re the one talking in Turkish. This is English Wikipedia. As part of the Wiki community we are meant to be working together on Wikipedia not against each other. So answer my initial question otherwise I won’t be able to take you seriously. Turco85 (Talk) 12:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Speaking Turkish language doesn't mean Turkish nationalist. I always work with other reliable users. And prevent ethnocentric edits. Takabeg (talk) 12:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, this is my last message to you. I have asked you for the following so that we could resolve this dispute:
  • Why don't you illustrate to me which figures you believe to be exaggerated?'
  • Why do you have a problem with the Turkish people article using stats based on citizens which is clearly footnoted yet you haven’t got this same problem with other articles which also use citizens stats which do not even have a footnote mentioning that citizen figures include minorities?
You have not answered any of my questions therefore I do not see how you are trying to solve the situation.Turco85 (Talk) 12:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I cannot take your massages seriously. You can use discussion pages and read Wikipedia:Harassment. Takabeg (talk) 12:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
No Takabeg, why don't you just report me? Either answer my questions and stick to the topic so that we resolve this dispute otherwise stop commuicating with me.Turco85 (Talk) 12:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Turco85 merhabalar,profilini yeni gördüm umaırm seninle de iletişimde oluruz.Bu arada o kullanıcının provokasyonlarına uyma lütfen.Türkçe vikipediyi incelersen onun kürt milliyetçisidir. ve topluluğu rahatsız etmesi yüzünden defalarca engellenmiştir.--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 09:17, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

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Removing the merge templates

Why have you removed the merging templates for Kurds in Turkey and Kurds of Central Anatolia for? They are all in Turkey! I also find it ironic as you wanted to merge Turks in the United Kingdom and Turks in London so badly. Turco85 (Talk) 11:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

There are many books titled İç Anadolu Kürtler v.s. (Kurds of Central Anatolia). And I have them. But I've never seen books titled Turks in the United Kingdom and Turks in London. Takabeg (talk) 12:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Do not remove the templates without discussing the problems. Thank you. Turco85 (Talk) 12:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, please remember the 3 revert rule. Turco85 (Talk) 12:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Don't remove {{Under construction}}. Please stop harrasment. Takabeg (talk) 12:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Is User talk:86.166.179.145 your puppet ? Takabeg (talk) 12:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
That was me yes. But it is not a puppet. I forgot to sign into my account. Turco85 (Talk) 12:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Please stop add {{merge}} template without reason. Takabeg (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Well here are my reasons Kurdish diaspora and Kurdish Population has the same material. Completly duplicated. Turco85 (Talk) 12:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Well here are my reasons Kurdish diaspora and Kurdish Population has the same material. Completly duplicated. Turco85 (Talk) 12:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Not same exactly. Kurdish population include the Kurdish people living in Turkey, Iran, Iraq Syria. Takabeg (talk) 12:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
That is only 4 countries! You seem to have tried to copy the Turkish population and Turkish diaspora but that is totally different. Until yesterday both the Kurdish diaspora and the Kurdish population articles were exactly the same until I improved the Kurdish diaspora article. There is no need for two articles which both use the exact same sources and say the exact same things.Turco85 (Talk) 12:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Both of Talk:Turkish population and Talk:Turkish diaspora are article with POV and with fake information. Takabeg (talk) 12:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
If you have a problem with them then discuss it on its discussion page. I have tried to resolve that issue with you yet you never answered any of my question before. As for the Kurdish population article it seems as though it has previously been redirected to the Kurdish disapora. The history section illustrates that it is you who has gone against this discussion. Turco85 (Talk) 12:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Kurdish diaspora and Kurdish population

I'm not an expert in this area and came across it several months ago because of some weird moves etc that were going on. As far as I can see there's nothing to merge between these articles - Kurdish population has already been merged into Kurdish diaspora and Kurdish Population (capital P) was just a copy and paste from Kurdish diaspora. I'd agree that I'm not sure there needs to be two articles but that just require sorting out some redirects. I certainly don't think there should be any major changes (e.g. splitting / moving) without a proper discussion with a consensus formed. In the case of anything other than a move I'd suggest a WP:RfC and for a move WP:RM, as this seems an emotive subject that has caused issues in the past. Dpmuk (talk) 13:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally from what I've heard others say I think Kurdish population is probably the better title (for the reasons you give), however given the emotion involved here I'd suggest starting a WP:RM to make sure there is consensus before a move and so limit the chance of edit warring. Dpmuk (talk) 13:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion in progress

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"there is no such thing as English citizenship"

I really wish you would meet this Welsh user who keeps modifying my pages because apparently Wales is an independent country.
Sorry, Varlaam (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it! If you want I'll take a look though... Turco85 (Talk) 08:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Mesaj

Selam Turco85! Sana nasıl mesaj yollayabilirim. Bir konuda yardımına ihtiyacım var.--Cguven (talk) 20:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Merhaba Cguven, surdan bana mesaj yollayabilirsiniz Turco85 (Talk) 22:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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Dear Turco85/Archive 2,
Just a mistake. The revision you edited has been rolled back. Happy editing —CnkALTDS 10:51, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I thought it must of been. Happy editing! Turco85 (Talk) 11:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Abdullah Ocalan

Why did you remove the following fromt the introduction: 'Öcalan has admitted to using violent methods and personally approving organized attacks and executions.[1]'? I have now placed this article on my watchlist and will be keeping an eye on it. I am going to have to make sure that the article is not POV like the Kurdish diaspora used to be.Turco85 (Talk) 23:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you forgot Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. And he was imprisoned because of not brutal.... but by the judgment according to the Turkish Criminal Code (TCK). Please stop your Propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Is academic references propaganda now? I have used reliable sources, something which I'm starting think you have no clue of.Turco85 (Talk) 23:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
You choose especially unneutral sources for example, Abdullah Öcalan, that fit to you Turkish nationalist point of view. If that source were neutral some words such as brutal, bloody etc. couldn't be used. We have common sence. So we know what is propaganda. Wikipedia must not be used as the tool of your propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 00:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh I forgot, the PKK is very peaceful, it's not brutal at all. It's just me being a nationalist Turk like you keep saying [me being sarcastic to lighten the mood]. Takabeg, you should known by now, I am not anti-Kurdish, and all edits which I do on wikipedia are supported by academic references which can also be backed up with other sources. I have placed the report by the Council of Europe which also says that he admits to the PKK having a terrorist nature, it will be interesting to see if you delete this as well. I want to get along with you, but I find many of the your comments to be disrespectful towards me. Please try to get along.Turco85 (Talk) 00:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Most of your edits are not neutral and harmful. Because the users who control your propaganda may think that other Turkish users or users from Turkey are neutral. Are opinions of the Council of Europe absolute ? For example warns Turkey to embrace valuse. I understan that you want to make and call him "terrorist". But they used the term "terrorist" for their political purposes, just like the concept of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Takabeg (talk) 02:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Give me an example please... I actually find this to be very rude. I have spent hours and hours trying to improve the Kurdish diaspora by adding neutral academic sources, something which you never did before that. You are literally discriminating against me because I am Turkish Cypriot! Stop looking at me as a Turk and start reading the sources!!! Before I even contributed to this article there was already categories on the article including the following:'Terrorism in Turkey'.
I always try to assume good faith. But you seem to be a very biased contributer. Has the PKK not contributed to some 40,000 deaths, including men, women and children [who are civilians]? Is it not true that if an individual wants to leave the PKK they cannot leave the organisation as they wish? Its members who try to leave get tortured or better yet, some have even been killed. And I can show you many many academic sources which say this. Has the PKK not bombed many urban areas in Turkey, including Istanbul [as I recall there was one just a few weeks ago]? I'm assuming that I have read much more about this subject then you have. Feel free to 'support' Ocalan and the things he has done, that is up to you. But please do not bring your own personal beliefs into it.
So what is Ocalan Takabeg? A terrorist or a humanitarian? And please feel free to use reliable sources when answering this question. That is if you answer it.Turco85 (Talk) 08:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
We don't have to define people humanist or terrorist. Your stereotype　and extremist approach is very harmful for neutrality of Wikipedia. Takabeg (talk) 08:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Then why don't you ask for a mediator to get involved and I will show them all the academic references which I have found?Turco85 (Talk) 08:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I am not stereotyping, a terrorist is a terrorist! Especially one which academics would call a Terrorist, in which case this article has reliable sources.Turco85 (Talk) 09:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Bülent Ecevit

Did you control sources ? Do you understand Turkish language ? Why did you remove Kurtzade (Son of Kurd) ? Source mentioned to Kurtzade (Son of Kurd). And it's important keyword for the Kurdishness of his family. Don't remove. Takabeg (talk) 09:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Because not all the sources say that! Takabeg, you have become so predictable.Turco85 (Talk) 23:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
KNOCK IT OFF!! Turco85, we deal here with history as it is through WP:Verification and WP:Reliable Sources. Do not try and introduce nationalistic bias into this encyclopedia. We are here to get as close as possible to the truth if we can. Please stop reverting changes without discussion and use the talkpages. Buckshot06 (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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translation skills

Dear Turco, could you help out at the discussion here (you were recommended...)? We have to establish what is said in a source in Turkish: here, but translate.google does not seem to help much... Rgds! L.tak (talk) 09:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi L.tak, I have replied back on the talk page. Have a good day!Turco85 (Talk) 11:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Iraqi Turkmen

Hello Takabeg, unfortunately you seem to be using references incorrectly [again]. Please read them carefully:

  • Ershat Hurmuzlu [2] says the following on page 3: 'The Iraqi government adjusted its numbers in response to the successful 1958 revolution and, in 1959, admitted to a Turkoman population of 567,000'.
  • H. Tarık Oğuzlu [3] has not even said that Iraqi Turkmen make up 136,800 of the Iraqi population! In fact, what it says on page 313 is the following:'In Demirci’s study, the 1957 census puts the Iraqi population at 6,300,000 and the Turkoman population at 567,000'.
  • Fazıl Demirci on page 5 says the following: 567,000!!

I Don't think you are reading the references properly. As for the google book search you have done, I cannot rely on that because I cannot read the entire sentence as you have given a limited view to the source.

So please stop trying to manipulate a census takabeg. If you are not happy with the amount of sources I have used, I can provide you with much more.Turco85 (Talk) 11:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I've just gained access to Scott Taylor's work [your google book search]; if you carry on reading it [which I assume you have not], it says the following 'the Turkmen registry stood at 567000 — an increase of more than 400 per cent from the previous year's total...' Turco85 (Talk) 11:42, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
567.000 was the number in the study of Fazıl Demirci. Original number was 138600. Sensus was also disputed. We must transfer information according to Neutral point of view. Takabeg (talk) 11:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I have just shown you that all your sources do not claim what you say they do. You are POV-pushing which in unacceptable. Until you find sources which say what you claim, your contributions will be reverted.Turco85 (Talk) 12:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

We know this issue, both official number and Demirci's claim are biased. And I only try to stop your propaganda activities. Takabeg (talk) 12:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

lol, I invite everybody on wikipedia to look at my contributions! Every edit that I do has academic sources. I pride myself in the work that I have done. You can insult me as much as you wish, I will not fall to your level. It is in fact the source which you have proved which shows that Iraqi Turkmen make up 567,000 of the Iraqi population, you just never read the sources properly. Every souce you have provided says that there was 567,000 Turks in Iraq. I don't see what your problem is. Turco85 (Talk) 12:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Turco85, this is your second warning. DO NOT let nationalist POV influence your edits, to Iraqi Turkmen among others. I will give you one more warning, and a block will follow. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Buckshot06, I suggest you illustrate to me exactly what you consider to be POV nationalist editing in the Iraqi Turkmens article. Do you consider a wide range of academic sources to be a nationalist factor?

If you look at the following edit by User:Takabeg (see here: [4]) you will see that it was in fact Takabeg [the user who has reported me to you] who put these sources and believed that they were reliable enough to be in the article. However, Takabeg failed to read the sources properly which say that the Iraqi government placed the Iraqi Turkmen population at 136,800 in 1957 but subsequently the Iraqi government admitted that the figure was incorrect and that it was actually 567,000. 'All the references say this! It has nothing to do with POV or nationalism. However, the funny thing is, is that now those references which Takabeg provided [with the intention of placing low figures of the community i.e. 136,800] failed to read the entire sources, I illustrated to them on their talk page [by quoting all the source they provided] the fact that all of them said that the Iraqi Turkmens numbered 567,000. Now Takabeg does not see these source [which they themselves had provided] to be a reliable anymore ([see here: [5]). I wonder why??

Nonetheless, even without the sources Takabeg provided, all the other sources were academic anyway...

So Buckshot06, please show me were my nationalistic edits occur. I spend a lot of time on Wikipedia trying to improve articles [yes it’s mainly on Turkish immigrants and minorities, but that’s my personal interest, it has nothing to do with nationalism] and I have never been threatened with being blocked. Thus, I am offended by the way you have warned me, especially when I have spent hours using reliable academic source to improve this article. The only thing Takabeg is interested in is lowering the population of the community; if you looked at the history of the article you would have known this [or maybe you have misunderstood the dispute- or so I hope]. I am willing to discuss this issue with mediators etc. if required, but it's a shame that academic sources in all my contributions is not enough for you all. Good day to you.Turco85 (Talk) 09:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Turco85. First, good idea on your messaging style; both talkpages does clear things up. Secondly, I believe the problem that we're facing is the data in the 1957 census, right? Can you explain exactly which figure (136 or 567) was in the 1957 census and which was not? What form did the reissued data take - a census amendment? Was it disputed? The thing is that both of you must have good reason for your alternate edits, from conflicting sources. My greater trust in Takabeg at the moment is the result of his appearing to be editing from a point of view which allows criticism of a Turk agenda. Please, if you can cite me the sources, you have every opportunity to restore my faith in you. Please give me a description of why 567k is more accurate than 136k, because both numbers come from academic journals. Kind regards from New Zealand, Buckshot06 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Well technically, the census was published in 1959. So the 567,000 figure is the official number of the 1957 census. However, due to the political issues that concern northern Iraq, many Kurdish and Arab scholars pushed for a corrupt census. Thus, the government claimed to have counted 136,800 Turks. Nonetheless, I have also placed this into a footnote in the info box of the article.
The problem is that there is not much academia on this community. I have tried to look for journal articles via my university institution and could not find even one online-journal article. Thus, sources are very limited. Nonetheless, even the sources which User:Takabeg has used, supports what I am telling you here. What Takabeg did was type "136,800" into a google search and just placed whatever they could find into the article without actually reading them (see for example this link were Takabeg wrote in the search engine "only 136800" [6]).
So to sum up this confusing census debate, the 1957 census counted 567,000 Turkmens. However, due to political issues, the Iraqi government claimed that there were only 136,000 Turks. Furthermore, a year later they admitted that the very same census actually counted 567,000 Turkmen (more than 400% from the previous year’s claim). The census itself was published in 1959. Thus, the published census says that there was 567,000 Iraqi Turkmen in 1957 not 136,800.Turco85 (Talk) 18:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Thankyou Turco85. I apologise for my threats. Now, the book you said Takabeg cited says that the 136800 figure is the figure the Kurdish authorities claim. Would you please be very clear about which political agendas wish to cite which numbers, and please confirm exactly which agendas are involved. I need more than 'political issues' to try and thread the needle on this dispute. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
That's ok. I apologise if I have come across as rude in my first response to you. It's just that User:Takabeg keeps trying to make me look bad to other users (see for example: [7])... it's getting really annoying now. I keep getting accused of ridiculous things and get called a number of names which gets frustrating after a while.
The political issues are quite complex, but here is an article which Scott Taylor (the author of the source above, which Takabeg provided), I'm sure this article will answer your questions.Turco85 (Talk) 22:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sick of you at all. I welcome your attempts to make me change my mind, and the fact that User:Takabeg has not advanced anything else makes your case seem stronger. But please, add all these references - in their full reference form - to the talkpage. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Turco85, would you mind doing me a favour? The International Crisis Group gives the 567k figure in this report. What do you think? Buckshot06 (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Turco, can you please up-date this image: File:Famous Turkish Cypriot people.png. We can include Cypriots such as En Derin, Tamer Hassan, Tracey Emin, and Zeki Alasya.Justinz84 (talk) 15:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey mate! Yes of course I'll do it. It's 5 people per row though. Who should be the 5th one?

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London Calling ve Kandıramazsın albüm kapak resmileri yüklermisiniz? Ayşe Rüya (talk) 12:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Merhaba Ayşe Rüya, Done. Turco85 (Talk) 14:32, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, could you please create the article "Mosques in Cyprus"? I have noticed that there are many articles with a list of mosques per a country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.115.43 (talk) 14:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know much about mosques but here is a list that I have just started, I will continue to research this area before creating an article (feel free to edit it):
Name Images City Year Remarks
Agha Cafer Pasha Mosque Kyrenia 1580s
Akkavuk Masjid Nicosia (North) 1904 It is on the site of a smaller mosque from 1895.
Akkule Mosque Famagusta 1618
Arabahmet Mosque
Nicosia (North) 1571
Bayraktar Mosque Nicosia (South) 1571 The first mosque built by the Ottomans after the conquest of Nicosia
Büyük Han
Nicosia (North) 1571
Cami Cedid Mosque Limassol 1825
Gazimağusa Mosque
File:Mosque in Famagusta.jpg
 Famagusta "The New Mosque"
Hala Sultan Tekke
Larnaca 1816/17 The Mosque is considered to be the third holiest place for Muslims in the world.
Iplik Pazari Mosque Nicosia (North) 18th century
Kazaphana Mosque Kyrenia 17th century
Kebir Mosque
Limassol "The Grand Mosque"
Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque
Famagusta Originally known as the 'Saint Nicolas Cathedral', the French Lusignan dynasty constructed it between 1298 to 1312.
Laleli Mosque Nicosia (North)
Omeriye Mosque
Nicosia (South)
Piri Osman Pasha Mosque Lefka ?
Sarayonu Mosque Nicosia (North) 1820
Selimiye Mosque
Nicosia (North) Originally known as the 'Saint Sophia Cathedral', the French Lusignan dynasty constructed it between 1209 to 1228.
Tahtakale Mosque Nicosia (South) ?
Tophane Masjid Nicosia (South) ?
Turunclu Mosque Nicosia (North) 1825
Yenicami Mosque Nicosia (North) 1571 Originally a 14th century church, it was demolished around 1740.
Ziya Pasha Mosque
Dali 1837
?
Kyrenia

Sources: [8] [9]

Turco85 (Talk) 17:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Using IMDB as a source

Hi. Regarding this edit, I don't believe that IMDB is a reliable source for this type of information. IMDB biographies are written by users of the site, much as Wikipedia articles are. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cordless Larry! IMDB is not my ideal source either, I'm really annoyed that the Cyprus Mail link is not working (it seems that they have removed many of their articles). Cypnet also lists Mem Ferda as a Turkish Cypriot. And his offical site says that he was born in London. Sorry but I have not been able to find much else.Turco85 (Talk) 21:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Several other entries in the list rely on IMDB sources. I'd suggest that if nothing else can be found, these entries should be removed. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
If you wish place a tag requesting for additional sources. I'll try to fix this all up ASAP. Have a great day!Turco85 (Talk) 21:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Have done. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, whilst I was starting to write this article I pressed enter on my keyboard by accident when writing the first sentence. I'm in the process of writing the article now.Turco85 (Talk) 14:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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Turco85 (Talk) 16:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I posted the message on your talk page because you are one of the few people to have edited the article and still be active on Wikipedia. Thanks for the other suggestions. I proposed Serbian Embassy, London for deletion but the template was removed. I will look into the others at some point though. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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Bu [sayfada] Kansas Bear adlı terörist grupları destekleyici editler yapan bir kulanıcıya karşı kendini savunan birisi var. Bu arkadaşı nasıl destekleyebiliriz? Bu Kansas Bear nereye şikayet edilebilir. Alpha Beta'nın iddia ettiğinden daha fazla düşmanca çalışmaları var bu kullanıcının. Wiki'de şikayet düzeni nasıl işler? teşekkürler. --Cupcaker (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

My advice to you would be keep cool and calm. If you believe that users are intentionally writing incorrect information then use the discussion page of the article. Make sure you use sources to support your argument or to illustrate if someone is creating misleading or mistaken work. The best thing to do is use academic books and/or journals rather than websites to support your argument. I would be happy to help if you show me the specific articles which you believe are written in a malice way. You may wish to look at the following:
I recommend that you assume good faith. Avoid personal attacks as you will not be taken seriously by other users. Let sources [preferably academic] do the talking not you. Best wishes.Turco85 (Talk) 13:12, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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Turkish Cypriots

What is your problem?

The Turkish boys are circumcised between 5-10 years of age.

Why did you delete it?

Would you then say that the Turkish men in Cyprus were indeed Muslims,but Uncut?

More Greek propaganda?

In Northern Cyprus was not a Communist regime that had banned the circumcision.

While there are no Islamists in Northern Cyprus

every Turkish boy get to be circumcised.

Because it is done already from tradition.

Dilek2 (talk) 01:34, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Some Turkish Cypriots are circumcised straight after they are born, some at the age of 1, 2,3. Some Turkish Cypriots are not at all (though it is rare). All information in the article needs to be sourced. Furthermore, there is not need to write that males are circumcised in the census table illustrating the population.Turco85 (Talk) 22:52, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


Estafgdullâh

I am Turkish and my ancestors are from Cyprus. I would like to know very well that my brothers were circumcised. After the birth? No Usually at 7 years. Uncircumcised Turkish Men in Cyprus does not exist. You show that even very accurate if you're a Turk from Northern Cyprus. Each year,Turkish military doctors circumcise the boys from poor families. Dilek2 (talk) 00:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm a Turkish Cypriot and obviously know my culture/traditions. Some boys are circumcised as soon as they are born. There is no specific age! Furthermore, the Turkish military has nothing to do with this. Turkish Cypriots go to normal doctors who are specialised in this field. Nonetheless, the point is that you are meant to use references when contributing to articles on wikipedia.Turco85 (Talk) 18:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


The Turkish military Circumcised the boys from poor families,yoi know that exactly.

Even the military circumcised, uncut Men.

Turkish boys have a party: Sünnet Dügün

Dilek2 (talk) 19:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes I know what a sünnet düyünü is. I don't understand the reason for your enthusiasm on this issue. The military has nothing to do with this. And if they do please support your statement with sources.Turco85 (Talk) 19:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


You do not understand.

Poor families who have no money for a Sünnetci or doctor.

These boys are circumcised by the Turkish military doctors.

Even in Bosnia and Kosova.

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Thank you Sadads. Happy editing to you too!Turco85 (Talk) 00:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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I've just put my thoughts on the discussion page. In short, I do not think it is necessary; however, I do not object to it either.Turco85 (Talk) 23:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I just needed another opinion. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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I have responded on the talk page concerning the Region section in the template. I would appreciate your opinion. Perhaps what I have suggested will give some(little?) balance to the article, since you had expressed a concern about it having a heavy Persian POV. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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OK i'll take a look now.Turco85 (Talk) 12:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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