User talk:Tuodagloriam
December 2020
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Hello, I'm Tayi Arajakate. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Drudkh have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Tayi Arajakate Talk 00:17, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Tayi Arajakate! How in the world you have decided my changes to be 'not constructive' in a matter of seconds - while the page in question contains blatant biased material, evidently written by a pro-Russian/anti-Ukrainian propagandist during the time of ongoing Russian military and info aggression against Ukraine. It's a shame to Wikipedia to tolerate that level of crap on its pages! How could anyone even approve that propaganda with broken or biased links in the first place? And do you now tell me, a Ukrainian, I'm 'apparently' being 'not constructive? Tuodagloriam (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Tuodagloriam, it doesn't take long to assess whether removal of reliably cited material is constructive or not. At the least you could present your case in the talk page of the article and explain how it is "propogandist" or "anti-Ukrainian". I'm quite certain publications such as the University of Toronto Press or Splice Today are not Russian propaganda outlets and would be reliable for such an addition. We do not censor material which may be inconvenient for a party in a conflict. Tayi Arajakate Talk 02:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
It's just a kind of abusing the moderator power, as far as I can see.
[edit]No way I would believe a word from you anymore, dear Tayi Arajakate. Do you want to say, you've checked all the links in a matter of seconds, and verified their credibility and lack of bias? Seriously? If you did, you would notice that some of the claims are entirely unsupported, some links are broken, some are referencing some crap articles right in the beginning of the Russian invasion to Ukraine (the apex of their war propaganda machine) in 2013. Or rather, you have you own biased opinion which you enforce here, abusing the power you have as a Wiki moderator? The only purpose of the paragraph I tried to delete was forcing anti-Ukrainian agenda, having nothing to do with the article about Drudkh. It contains false claims both about the band and about Ukrainian history (claims evidently taken from Kremlin sponsored sources). To cut the long story short, it's just disgusting and ridiculous. I would expect to see something like that in the Russian segment of Wiki - and I wouldn't even objected this (since forcing lies is official Kremlin politics for the last I don't know how many years). But spreading this kind of propaganda to the English Wiki looks even more disgusting (leaves an impression that either Kremlin rubles are so attractive to the Wiki moderators, or that they can be fooled so easily by propaganda, and which is more, they even have guts to put blame on others when caught). I stopped using Russian version of Wiki quite a while ago - and if this issue goes swept under the rug, there is no way I would ever use the English one as well. And the issue concerns not this article only - I made a quick research, that showed that the similar problem exists in many other articles, as well. Tuodagloriam (talk) 08:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Tuodagloriam, I don't see any evidence or argument being presented by you which supports your claim. Since all you have done here is indulged in personal attack, I am not going bother with this anymore. Bring this up on the neutral point of view noticeboard if you do believe that there are neutrality issues in the article. Tayi Arajakate Talk 10:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Demagogy in its best (or should I say 'worst'?)
[edit]Tayi Arajakate - it is you who have presented zero evidence to support your actions from the very beginning - instead you continue putting blame on me, and now you've started playing 'a victim of a personal attack', and telling me 'I am not going bother with this anymore' - like you have bothered with it in the first place. You turn a blind eye on any arguments and facts contrary to your point of view - this is what I see so far. And instead, you're super permissive when it comes to protecting the lies and propaganda in a Wiki article - when they they fit your agenda. What a disgrace of a moderation... And of course, I do 'believe' that there are neutrality issues in the article. They're not just 'are' - they are 'screaming'. Tuodagloriam (talk) 10:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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