User talk:Timtas

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The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

Please read the guidelines at MOS:TVAUDIENCE and WP:IMDB. We do not include data on audience responses from websites such as Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, or IMDb except in rare circumstances where reliable sources provide noteworthy commentary on those responses. IMDb itself is also never used as a source on Wikipedia as everything on it is user submitted. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but this about audience response, where I think it is very appropriate to cite actual audience responses by registered users on a well-established site. On the contrary, you seem to be ok citing the showrunner calling all people critical of his own work "trolls"? How is J.D. Payne a reliable source on audience responses, while IMD user responses are not? Do you regard the actual shworunner of the show as a reliable source regarding user responses? As in other posts, audience responses here again only seem to be allowed unfounded remarks on review-bombing, "woke" hating and downright "trolling". In that case, why not just drop the while "Audience Response", as it always boils down to all negative response being categorized as racist, homophobic or sexist. Even citing the bloody show-runner, for God's sake! Timtas (talk) 20:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, read the guidelines. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Also, the showrunner attributing negative responses to "trolls" is very relevant in a way that actually suits your opinion. The fact that he is dismissing their responses like that does not necessarily reflect well on him and the show, and that is not something that should be hidden. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you put it like that, it makes sense. Well, so could you maybe tell me what sources are considered valid regarding user responses? Because it's really not about my opinion I want to force upon people here. I watched all the episodes (in the hope they get better) and listened to a lot of people reviewing the show, and while there certainly are quite a few downright racist and sexist "woke" haters among them, the show is almost universally panned by even the most constructive critics on grounds of bad writing, bad acting, badly re-purposed dialogue and downright character assasination of very prominent characters. And I think this should be able to be stated somewhere. The show is really bad in lots of respects, believe me. And black elves and dwarfes or female characters are not the problem, but the audience response section now implies that these are the reasons for the bad ratings. That's just not true.Timtas (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS and WP:RS/PS can provide some guidance on what sources are reliable. If in doubt, you can take any sources you find to the talk page and I or another editor can confirm whether they are okay to add. But you probably aren't going to find any reliable sources to support your full opinion here considering the majority of reliable sources think the show is at least okay. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop trying to remove Aramayo's response from "Doomed to Die" without consensus. It is standard in discussions about reception to include the thoughts of people involved in the production if they have something relevant to say. The only valid argument I could see for removing this is if it was being moved to the production section. Please discuss at the talk page rather than continue to make a disputed change. - adamstom97 (talk) 16:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would be fine with it being moved to the production section. Because it really is totally irrelevant in the audience response section how the actors want or maybe even have to justify a scene that was not well received. They will always defend it, and I don't blame them for that. It is their job, and they have a strong financial objective that the show is positively received. Timtas (talk) 16:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also objected to J.D. Payne's comment on bad audience reception, for the same reason. You're clearly much better informed of what belongs into the audience response section in general, but IMHO, as a devout and long-time Wikipedia user and admirer, I find it very irritating to include quotes from provably not objective people there, while audience reviews of IMDB users are deemed untrustworthy. Clearly, anybody directly involved in the production of a show is per definition not trustworthy. Timtas (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because they aren't "trustworthy" doesn't mean their comments aren't relevant. The showrunner calling people who don't like the series "trolls" is a pretty big deal, whether you agree with him or not. The same can be said about comments from Amazon in the viewership section, we can't trust them to be unbiased but it is relevant to present their comments so viewers know what they said. It is not our job to defend the opinions of people who don't like the show, it is our job to present information about the series based on how it appears in reliable sources. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I already agreed with you regarding the J.D. Payne comment, but the Elrond and Galadriel actor's justification of the kissing scene is another beast. Timtas (talk) 19:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]