User talk:Thomas de Vernet

I am sure you forgot about your post on the Kingdom of Gwynedd talk page regarding the coat of arms for Gwynedd. Im sorry but I had just went back to the talk and spoted your response. This was my responce to yours! Sorry :) Drachenfyre (talk) 08:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then WHY is there a picture showing Llywelyn ap Gruffudd's as three red lions rampant on white? And I lso found websites about the Royal Tribes of Wales showing the three red lions rampant on white as the arms of the Aberffraw dynasty (this site in particular[[1]])?...Thomas de Vernet 11:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw your reply to an earlier reply! lol. Sorry for the late reply. I believe the red lions on white field were the personal coat of arms assigned to Gruffydd ap Cynan of the Aberffraw line.... also a direct ancestor to Llywelyn the Great (whose arems are the four lions red on gold counterchanged ). Historically, both can be used to represent Gwynedd.... however it is Llywelyn the Great's arms that have become most identified with the Welsh principality.... and when Owain Glyndwr later adapted them to rampant the association was further solidifed.Drachenfyre (talk) 08:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I didn't even remember this. "Mieux vaut tard que jamais" as we say in France... ;-)