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Speedy deletion nomination of David P Bloom

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A tag has been placed on David P Bloom requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://observer.com/2000/07/highclass-grifter-david-bloom-gets-pinched-again/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Biographies of living persons

Please read the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy, along with Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I have had to remove multiple sections from the David P Bloom article you have recently created, as non-compliant for multiple reasons - see summaries in the edit history. [1] AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, have read it twice and will continue to read this (and much more). It's good to learn. ThomasBi (talk) 05:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph of Bloom

I see that you claim this image [2] of David Bloom as your own work. Could you clarify whether you have any connection with Bloom, and if not, perhaps explain the circumstances in which you came to take the photograph? AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a response to this query? --ZimZalaBim ^talk 04:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I claim this image as my own because I took a photo in 2021 when I met him briefly through an acquaintance. I have cropped the original photo I took to only show an image of Bloom. ThomasBi (talk) 05:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which leaves us in the unfortunate position of only having your word that this is Bloom at all. Wikipedia tends to be fairly lax about taking people's word when it comes to identifying photos of living people, but in this case I'd have to suggest caution might well be advised. And I really don't see how what Bloom looks like now (if that is him) is of any relevance to an article which concerns events happening in the 1980s. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If I am challenged in a court I am happy to prove by showing a matching photo ID that this is, indeed, David Peter Bloom. ThomasBi (talk) 05:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd think that being challenged in court would be exceedingly unlikely. Though if you were, the court might wish to know how you came to possess Blooms photo ID? Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding something. Either way, I'd like to know why Wikipedia readers need a 2021 photo of a 1980s fraudster. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe one day the court will find out, then we can update this page for the 2020s. Unless someone has a photo they can supply of Bloom in the 1980s this is what's on offer. ThomasBi (talk) 05:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So no real reason for including a 2021 photo of Bloom. I shall remove it for now, given the concerns raised. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a fair course of action. It is him and it's my image. Unless you have a photo I don't see how this is your call, as you allude to yourself. ThomasBi (talk) 06:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to ask for a third opinion (e.g. at WP:BLPN). Though if you do, I'd recommend taking into consideration that I may also raise other issues there, in relation to the questionable sourcing of the article etc. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I thought any sourcing issues have been resolved since (and in some haste may I add) and I seek a solution on this image, not escalating to report though I'm happy to if that's what's required to get the photo back up. Alternative solutions are for you to compare my image to other photos featured in any other sources and assert it is him and reinstate it, for other people to add a photo or confirm it is him, or for someone on social media to confirm it is him? Trying to move forward. ThomasBi (talk) 06:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I you want to 'move forward', you can start the process by explaining why an article concerning itself with criminality that took place in the 1980s needs a 2021 photograph of the perpetrator. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:36, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The only reference I see on Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons states; "Images of living persons should not be used out of context to present a person in a false or disparaging light. This is particularly important for police booking photographs (mugshots), or situations where the subject did not expect to be photographed. Any police photograph used to imply that the person depicted was charged with or convicted of a specific crime must be sourced to a top-quality reliable source with a widely acknowledged reputation for fact-checking and accuracy that links the relevant image to the specific incident or crime in question." and "Images of living persons that have been created by Wikipedians or others may be used only if they have been released under a copyright licence that is compatible with Wikipedia:Image use policy." which is what is adhered to here as the image was released fully. Nowhere does it require a motivation that the photo has to be from any given decade. Please refer to that requirement or otherwise if you are satisfied please reinstate the photo. ThomasBi (talk) 06:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not going to happen, per "regard for the subject's privacy", as emphasised at the start of Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons. And I've got to ask whether, when you photographed Bloom when you 'met him briefly' via an acquaintance, he expected the photograph to be later used in a Wikipedia article about him? AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have not answered any of my questions nor have you offered any solution to my challenge to you, instead you took the bait. Firstly, yes he did expect the photo to be taken, as he was having his nails painted and he wanted a photo. That's why he's laughing. Secondly, that's not a requirement and there is no privacy concern here that applies and none is being presented here as a motivation either, to remove the photo, beyond it an assumption it might? ThomasBi (talk) 07:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm done here. You have been notified of relevant Wikipedia policies. If any further edits from you appear to violate them, I shall report the matter. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Andy. I stepped back from this conversation as per the dispute guidelines. It's healthy to have a discussion and to be able to step back, calm down and think about it. I believe there's value in showing a photo of this individual on the page, and since no other photos are available this seems the best course of action. Articles are improved tremendously with (limited use of) images. Using a photo from 2021 does not cause an issue with Wikipedia policies, the photo was taken at a public party so the individual could have reasonably expected to have been photographed by me and for that photo to have been made public. At the same time, I know discourse is how we come to compromise and agreement on Wikipedia (and life), so I welcome your thoughts on how a solution might be reached on how we could use an image to improve the article? ThomasBi (talk) 05:20, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:DavidPeterBloomNewYorkTimesMagazine1988.jpg

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Question about your connection to Bloom

Hello, I'm increasingly concerned with your extreme focus on adding detail after detail in David P. Bloom‎, which seems to be the only article you have edited. Your edits reveal you are extremely determined to get every possible detail of Bloom's biography into this encyclopedia. You've also mentioned meeting him and apparently being able to obtain access his photo ID on demand. What is your connection to Bloom? --ZimZalaBim ^talk 01:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have no connection to David P. Bloom beyond the one time I have made public. I work in the field of research in a very specific field. Yes I met him briefly through an aquentance at a public party which I made known. I am a (relatively) new person who's trying to contribute to Wikipedia about a new article, while at the same time learning the platform, code and community as this is also new to me but that will help me develop in my field. English is not my first language. I am making a good faith attempt at contributing to Wikipedia and while I might add too much detail in someone's else's view, I thought that was required; to field and reference new reliable sources that would add to the article by adding neutral point of view detail. I will step back from working on this article if that's what's preferred and welcome a third opinion for edits that have been made as I don't know what to do anymore Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. I know I made mistakes when citing certain sources in the beginning but have learned from users on the talk page for David P. Bloom who explained it and their feedback. I will try and improve other WikiProject Crime articles instead of this article until more eyes have looked at it. User:ThomasBi talk 02:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright.

Can you please explain how you hold the rights to upload this image [3] to Wikimedia Commons under a Creative Commons license? AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]