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More world maps

I'm interested in a SVG map illustrating the extent of the Treaty of Rarotonga, Treaty of Tlatelolco, and perhaps other Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zones. These are similar to the world maps you've posted recently, can you help? --JWB (talk) 17:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

After looking at the articles and the maps already there I'm guessing that you are looking to replace this PNG map with an SVG one and that you are looking for a blank world map in order to do this. The world maps I posted were based on this base map, which is in layers, unlike some others, so it is easy to use for this purpose. Hope this helps.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  276° 45' 00" NET   18:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I've already worked on a SVG map to replace that one, based on commons:File:BlankMap-World6.svg which has relatively clean SVG source, but have not finished and uploaded yet... I would like to ask you about drawing lines of latitude and longitude, as in this map of the LACNWFZ zone boundaries, since you have done that on your maps. How do you translate between degrees/minutes/seconds and pixels or other image coordinates? What kind of line drawing commands do you use? I briefly looked at the SVG source of your maps and it was not immediately clear what was drawing the red longitude/latitude lines. --JWB (talk) 04:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

One way to draw lines of latitude, longitude and also diagonal lines on a map accurately is by mathematically scaling the latitude and longitude values to the image co-ordinates, which in this case are pixels. In order to do this, the North, South, East and West boundaries of the map are needed with opposites at opposite polarities and all co-ordinates need to be translated into decimal degrees. The formula used is as follows.

For The Latitude

${\text{Vertical Pixels }}{=}{\text{ }}{\frac {{\text{Total Vertical Pixels}}{\text{ }}({\text{Latitude}}-{\text{Southern Boundary)}}}{{\text{Northern Boundary}}-{\text{Southern Boundary}}}}$

For The Longitude

${\text{Horizontal Pixels }}{=}{\text{ }}{\frac {{\text{Total Horizontal Pixels}}{\text{ }}({\text{Longitude}}-{\text{Western Boundary)}}}{{\text{Eastern Boundary}}-{\text{Western Boundary}}}}$

Where:

Longitude:=The Longitude in question.

Latitude:=The Latitude in question.

Northern Boundary:= The highest Latitude on the map in question.

Southern Boundary:= The lowest Latitude on the map in question.

Eastern Boundary:= The highest Longitude on the map in question.

Western Boundary:= The lowest Longitude on the map in question.

Total Vertical Pixels:= The Vertical Resolution of the map in question.

Total Horizontal Pixels:= The Horizontal Resolution of the map in question.

Vertical Pixels:= The Original Latitude in pixels.

Horizontal Pixels:= The Original Longitude in pixels.

This is the preferred method. Hope this helps.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  348° 45' 00" NET   23:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:Chess

Ask User:WimpyKid, who actually made that move. Cheers, Chevy Impala 2009 18:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

WimpyKid is wrong. So, I will ask him what basically what I should do. Chevy Impala 2009 18:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Since the game hasn't gone too far since the mistake, you could change the move from 4... F4 to 4... F5 and then either leave it at that or force world to play F5 to F4.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  278° 00' 00" NET   18:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

All right! Chevy Impala 2009 19:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. Cheers, Chevy Impala 2009 18:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem, always willing to help out!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  276° 45' 00" NET   18:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry it took long to make a move, if you would like to make a move in my chess game, you are absolutely free to do so. Chevy Impala 2009 01:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Spelling of Spitsbergen

Hi. I'm guessing you meant South Cape (not South Cabo), Spitsbergen on that picture you added to the Midnight Sun article. Right? It's a common mistake, but Spitsbergen is spelled with a second s, not a z. The former is the Dutch spelling, which is the only correct form in English and several other languages as the islands were discovered by a Dutch navigator in 1596. Jonas Poole (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, this was the original description,

"Exposición al sol de media noche durante 3h, Cabo Sur, Sptizbergen."

After translating and rephrasing, I ended up with what I put originally. Now come to think of it, you're probably right. I guess this is what comes out of using online translators. Funny thing is, I actually checked the Spitsbergen article and somehow manged to overlook something that was mentioned right at the top of the page!! Anyway, thanks for the corrections.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  231° 30' 00" NET   15:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Templates for Lyon transport

Hello, I don't know anything in templates, but I'm looking for someone can help me to create the templates of tramways and express bus of Lyon. As you can see on the page Lyon metro, there is an infobox. The templates for subways are already created but not for tramways and buses. Could you create the same templates T1, T2, T3, T4... as on the french wikipedia ? Thank you ! :)

Regards Lulu97417 (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, I've had a quick look about and it seems that there are individual articles for each tramway and express bus on the French Wikipedia, while here one article covers all the tramways, which has its own template and there are no articles on the express buses. Assuming all of these are under development, I suggest two two possible options: 1. Extend the existing Lyon Network Template to include the tramways (and express buses) as on the French Wikipedia or 2. Create a new template for each of them. Either way works. Hope this helps.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  243° 31' 45" NET   16:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

As you can see, in all articles concerning lyon transport we use this infobox template Template:Lyon transport. In this main template there are some little template : . The thing missing is the little templates of the tramways T1 T2 T3 T4 and express buses C1 C2 C3. It's only some little colored circles who already exist on French Wikipedia. Express buses is corresponding to lignes fortes in the french infobox templates.

That's all. Do you think you can do it ?

Thank you so much

Lulu97417 (talk) 17:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, is this OK?

 T1 T2 T3 T4 C1 C2 C3

It took a while, but got there eventually. Hope this helps.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  290° 32' 0" NET   19:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Very nice thank you is that I wanted! You are great at templates you did it quickly. How to put it inside the main template now ? Can you had me on msn ? there is sth I want to do but that's difficult to explain. Lulu97417 (talk) 20:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you meant by, "Can you had me on msn ? there is sth I want to do but that's difficult to explain", but I can put the code onto the template namespace as it is finished now.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  306° 53' 30" NET   20:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for my english i wanted to tell can you add me on msn messenger papy_ryo@hotmail.fr. Yes If you can put it it would be great or only create the template page and I'll add it on the infobox. thanks so much

Lulu97417 (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Vous etes francais? Si vous preferez, vous pouvez ecrire en francais mais je ne suis pas parfait, et vous pouvez trouver des erreurs.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  314° 8' 0" NET   20:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Vous pouvez trouver le modele a "Template:Lyon_Transport_icon" avec les instructions. Bon Journee.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  320° 53' 15" NET   21:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah super vous parlez francais! Merci pour le template je vais installer cela ce soir. à bientot Lulu97417 (talk) 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Pas de probleme! Bon Journee.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  323° 44' 0" NET   21:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello again, I really am not for templates, I think. Look at my work Template:Lyon transport. I can't do it correctly Lulu97417 (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, it wasn't your fault. There was a problem with the template code. It had one line break too many. It's amazing what damage a tiny error like that can do!!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  355° 34' 15" NET   23:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi ! I have just seen that you did, that's perfect thank you very much ! Lulu97417 (talk) 17:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Math problems

Woah... I forgot I even made that page. I don't even know what I made it for. Thanks for solving them. (god knows I couldn't solve them myself) (X! · talk)  · @766  ·  17:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem X! Always willing to help out!!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  263° 20' 30" NET   17:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Bus Lyon

Hello ! I 've created an english page for Lyon bus lines, I have the same problem, I don't have all the templates. I you want to create some templates for buses sometimes like in the french page, would be nice :) Thank you

regards

Lulu97417 (talk) 11:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've put the template on the english page for Lyon bus lines. It seems to do the job. I've also updated the Lyon Transport icon links so that they redirect to the new Lyon bus lines article when it has been uploaded onto the mainspace. Hope this helps.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  206° 54' 45" NET   13:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I don't undertand how you do it as fast ? Lulu97417 (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

There wasn't all that much to do. I got most the code from the French Wikipedia and then just tweaked it a bit. It really isn't all that impressive. Anyway, I'm guessing that the templates are done to the required standard, so I'll move them into the template namespace.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  295° 45' 15" NET   19:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Rhônexpress

Hi ! How are you ? I need again your talents for templates. Still in the same infobox I need to create a template with this logo File:Rhonexpresslogo.jpg and to replace it in the infobox. If we put directly the picture it can't be redirected to the article but to the logo. Thank you ! see you. Lulu97417 (talk) 17:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, is this OK? File:Rhonexpresslogo.jpg I managed to do it despite thinking it wasn't possible at first.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  167° 42' 44" NET   11:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah perfect thank you :) Lulu97417 (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2009

Tidy Up

When reverting vandalism, please do not use the edit summary "Tidy Up", which implies that you are making minor changes to the article which results in a different article from the last good edit. If you revert vandalism, which means that no change exists between your edit and the last good edit, say so via "rvv" or "rv v" or "rv vandalism". Or simply Undo the offending edit in the article's history, or Undo a collection of edits via "Compare selected revisions". — Joe Kress (talk) 02:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Accepted   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  220° 16' 45" NET   14:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Your signature

Hello. I just replied to you at Talk:Twilight, and noticed that the raw code of your signature was a little lengthy - I know WP:CUSTOMSIG is mostly subjective, but it was taking up five lines of text in the edit window, in my browser, making it a little harder to check what you'd said. You might like to look at ways to reduce that. --McGeddon (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  220° 16' 45" NET   14:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Thanks for the heads up about comments on article talk pages, but I have a watchlist, there's no need. --McGeddon (talk) 21:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Accepted   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  199° 43' 0" NET   13:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Dude, you have no idea how much this made my day. Thanks so much! Glacier Wolf 23:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem!! After all that's what friends are for.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  348° 59' 15" NET   23:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and comment

First of all, thanks for this. You're quite right of course, I spelt it incorrectly. Just a quick comment regarding this edit, I've reverted for the simple fact that it wasn't a spelling error. User:ThinkBlue is American, and so uses American spelling, which in this case would mean favorite is correct. Just to note you may want to be careful with that type of edit, particularly in articles. See WP:ENGVAR and WP:SPELLING for future reference. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 01:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Oops, for some reason I thought ThinkBlue was from Ireland, hence the change to British spelling. In that case you're right, it should be "favorite" instead of "favourite". Hope this helps.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  191° 44' 30" NET   12:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you confused her with me? I'm from Ireland - perhaps you read it on my talk page, and got confused while editing 'Blue's? In any case, it's really a problem. No harm, no foul. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually I rather thought that, considering how much of a team you and ThinkBlue are, you'd both be from the same area. It does make you think, how much the internet has shrunk the world!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  266° 52' 15" NET   17:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Yes, I know it's pretty crazy. Results in a lot of misunderstandings though; Irish humour doesn't necessarily translate to America, and vice versa. It's one of the wonderful things about wikipedia though. During my time here I've interacted with people from Ireland, England, the US, Australia, Scotland, Israel, all over the world - it's wonderfully diverse. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

It is indeed diverse, having so many people from all over the world coming together and working towards a single goal, a free encylopedia for the whole world to use; Jimbo Wales should be awarded a peace prize for this!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  274° 55' 45" NET   18:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. :) Of course, wikipedia leads to numerous arguements as well, which is probably why he wasn't been given one yet. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I forgot about the arguements, though most of them are resolved in the end. On the other hand, there's wikihumour and the various puns and jokes subtly placed around wikipedia. It does make for an interesting and thriving community.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  279° 53' 45" NET   18:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. It's one of the reasons I'm still editing here coming up to two years after I first started. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 09:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It's probably also one of the reasons why so many can't keep away from wikipedia, even for a wikibreak!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  212° 31' 29" NET   14:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

<--Yep. Damn hard. I think the longest I went without being on wikipedia was a week, and that was 'cause I was on holidays without internet access! It's very addicting. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 20:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It may even get ot the point where you're actually looking forwards to the end of a holiday just to get back on wikipedia.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  314° 11' 15" NET   20:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well for me it got the point where I was like "all the articles on my watchlist will have been vandalised! Must fix it!" Needless to say, it was a complete overreaction, but then addicts are never the most rational of people. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, nowadays you need not even think about reverting vandalism, thanks to our vandalism buster.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  317° 52' 30" NET   21:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

While Cluebot is awesome, he only catches very obvious vandalism - replacing an article with profanity, that sort of thing. Sly vandalism can slip past unnoticed, and it's the sly vandalism that tends to cause the most problems unfortunately. Especially in BLP cases. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess so, but even so, it is usually reverted as quickly as it appears, but Cluebot is undergoing a major rewrite, so he should become much better and detect sly vandalism. Also, even we can be a part of it and help out. Mind you, by the looks of things, it seems like they have a huge task on their hands.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  183° 37' 45" NET   12:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know that. Ok, I don't understand a lot of what is said on User:Crispy1989, but that's probably because I don't understand coding/programming. Hmmm, this could be excellent indeed. Here's hoping it happens soon. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Neither do I, but this sentence, "The core vandalism detection engine, however, will be required to perform heavy computation, and as such, is unsuitable for a scripting language to perform in a reasonable amount of time" pretty much says it all. They've got a tough job on their hands! So indeed here's to the new Cluebot. Meanwhile, the current cluebot has some rather useful tricks up its sleeve; those being an optin page for outside the main namespace including user pages and an angry optin page for pages with heavy vandalism requiring Cluebot in "Angry Mode"! It does come in mighty useful.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  192° 53' 14" NET   12:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I agree. I have a lot of respect for people who run all the bots on wikipedia. Most of them are so useful, even if I have no clue how the hell they work. :) ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 14:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I know exactly what you mean! I took one look at Cluebot's source code and couldn't make heads or tails of it. I guess that's what makes them stand out from the rest. Also, those who have made the most useful bots usually go on to become members of the Bot Approvals Group and from there they can easily become administrators.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  260° 50' 30" NET   17:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. And all credit to them for it. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 14:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess that's one way to become an administrator here! Luckily, the code used in articles and templates is so much simpler to understand and use.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  233° 22' 0" NET   15:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

<--Yep. I believe the other way is to be perfect. :P Oh, I know. I can actually understand some of the coding in templates. Thank god. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It does take a while of getting used to, but you get the hang of them the templates can prove extremely useful or as they say, "Templates are the backbone of Wikipedia". In fact, there is an entire WikiProject for Templates. Also, I don't think that being perfect is the other way to become an admin, since I've seen administrators so some really daft things. After all, if they can't be perfect, they can't expect us to!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  240° 15' 45" NET   16:01, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I'd forgotten about that page! I remember the first time I saw that... I'm assuming you don't hang out much at WP:RFA? !Voters are pretty ruthless. Mistakes are seized upon, and analysed to the umnpteenth degree. RFAs are not for the fainthearted, just the ridiculously brave and the hopelessly insane. :) People have very exacting standards of admins, and a lot of the time they won;t measure up, but it doesn't stop prospective admins from being judged by some very harsh standards. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I hang around a little at WP:RFA and looked through various archives, but I haven't voted at any yet. It seems that you may have had bad experiences with RfAs, even though you haven't gone through an RfA yourself. It's not always that ruthless; this RfA shows that it's not all serious. Usually, there are few mistakes, but they tend to be magnified because they are all mentioning the same thing again and again. Generally, it's good to prepare for these as they tend to ask the same questions again and again. There are also guidelines that all prospective admins should read through. Admin coaching is recommended as well. It is also a good idea to go through editor review first to see what the community thinks of a particular editor's contributions. Also, many don't pass on their first time. Apparently, it took one editor seven tries to become an admin. Usually, failed RfAs give a good indication on how to improve and prepare for the next one, after all,

"All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."

— Worstward Ho, Samuel Beckett

Another thing, the way I see it, it's not that bad since the worse that can happen is that you remain an editor as you were before the RfA. In general, preparation is the blueprint of success!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  312° 31' 30" NET   20:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware not all RfAs are that bad, but I've seen so many people get opposed simply because they've had a disagreement with someone in the past, who then turns up and proceeds to sling mud. It's a damn shame, but that's reality. A lot of opposes can cross the line, and verge on personal attacks. As for "it's not that bad", actually I've seen it mentioned in a lot of places that RfA's are one of the most demeaning and stressful things you can encounter on wikipedia. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I can see where you're coming from, but I tend to think that it's best to try to get a positive experience from it after all, at the end of the day the participants only want to help out. Also, you should see what RfBs look like as they are lot tougher and only the best of the best would pass them. I haven't seen many with personal attacks in them; I've only came across one case, but another editor went and removed the comment outright. It is supposed to be a lot more friendlier than that, especially since most of the editors here are good natured. Mind you, the worst thing I find concerning RfAs is that despite the pass rate dropping significantly and the RfAs getting tougher, situations like this followed by this can actually happen! It really isn't fair on those who've tried hard to get adminship and failed. They should definitely know better than that!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  317° 12' 0" NET   21:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

There are plenty, if you know how to read them. Yes, I read about that. Actually, the worst thing about that was concerning this. I don't follow how a sockpuppet gaining adminship isn't fair to those "who've tried hard to get adminship and failed". If they've failed, the majority of the time it will be for a reason. Just because a sockpuppet was good enough to pull the wool over people's eyes has no bearing on the fairness of other editor's RFAs. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Originally, I was thinking that the community didn't question the suitability of adminship as much as they would for other editors, hence the comment on fairness, but on second glances, it seems that Pastor Theo was a good editor. I guess that is the reason why RfAs are tough in the first place and only few editors get adminship. Another thing is that personal attacks on RfAs could put off good editors from wikipedia itself let alone adminship, especially since all opposes should be constructive and polite.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  279° 51' 0" NET   18:39, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, exactly. Though people do tend to be a little nicer to users with very limited experience on wiki - say those how've been around for 2/3 months. They're a lot harsher on regular editors - higher standards I guess. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I agree with that, since I've come across some experienced editors who have just given up Wikipedia due controversy and disagreements with other editors. The Essjay Controversy pretty much divided the editors with some supporting him and his good work, while other went against him and in the end he retired. I've also a few others who retired under similar conditions with a lot of them mentioning the dark sides of good editor and administrators. I came across one editor who was described as a general pest! Mind you, they were being quite irritating to other editors.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  337° 42' 30" NET   22:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I mean Wikipedia Review is an excellent example. There's quite on few posters on there who are disilluisioned wikipedia editors - ones who have been banned, ones who have retired, ones who have quit in protest at something or another. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Some of them are great contributors who have done incredible amounts of work here. Often their talk pages are filled with comment from other editors asking them not to leave, but I guess once their minds are set, that's it, and only rarely do they come back again. It does contrast to those who can't leave, even for a small wikibreak!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  346° 13' 15" NET   23:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

<--Yes, absolutely. Although, there are plenty of people who retire just to return the next day! A lot of editors, especially newer ones, will be driven away by more experienced editors unintentionally. I always try to be as patient as I can with newer editors, I'd hate to drive away someone who might one day write a Featured article or something. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, once an editor says that they are retiring, then they are stating that they will not come back. There is the {{retreaded}} template for such an occasion, but the documentation has this message, "Please note that because retiring implied that you would not resume editing, you should have stated that you would be on indefinite wikibreak if you thought that you might eventually return. You ought now to apologize." It pretty much says that they should have stated that they were on an indefinite wikibreak rather than retiring.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  349° 21' 30" NET   23:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL. I like that template. Yea, most people who "retire" come back - bit stupid in my opinion. Might as well just take a wikibreak - it's easier. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 20:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I tend to think that regardless of whether they said they were retiring or not, it good to have them back again. I guess that's how the term Wikiholic came to be!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  264° 2' 0" NET   17:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I've always felt it depended on the editor. Hmm, I guess so. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess the more experienced and well known the editor is, the less the community wants them to leave. Those who haven't been here long can just slip away unnoticed!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  180° 59' 15" NET   12:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. It all depends on how many people are watching your page. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

In fact, there's even a measurement called "Jimbos" based on how many people are watching your page compared to how many people are watching Jimbo's page!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  186° 14' 0" NET   12:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was the "centijimbo"? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I would have thought the centijimbo would be based on the Jimbo, but it seems that so many people watch Jimbo's User Page that the centijimbo is a more convenient measure!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  195° 42' 15" NET   13:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Can't say I'm overly suprised. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 08:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess everyone wants to know what's going on at Jimbo's User Page even though he doesn't edit much here.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  259° 39' 30" NET   17:18, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Being the co-founder guarantees you'll have people watching you. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Funny thing is though, the other co-founder Larry Sanger isn't even half as popular and has only 3.7 centijimbos!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  290° 10' 0" NET   19:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but he's anywhere near as well known as Jimmy, due to that whole "is Jimmy a co-founder or a founder?" dealio that was raging a few years ago. Plus, he's not overly active anymore, due to founding Citizendium. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 13:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

There are a few remains of that still left on Jimbo's userpage as to whether it should say he founded or co-founded Wikipedia. Also, on the topic of RfAs, this makes a very good point.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  233° 50' 0" NET   15:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Revisionist history sucks. People should know that by know. Hmm, interesting. I'd never seen that before. Valid points there. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess it's just pretty much politics, or "war without bloodshed". At one point, ther was even a discussion to abolish it!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  274° 56' 0" NET   18:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that still comes up every now and again, except it's more of a "RfA is broken, let's do this instead" kind of thing. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 10:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It's seems like a case of, "actions speak louder than words". Many have given new ideas, but none have been implemented.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  318° 46' 29" NET   21:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is most likely to do with the fact that it's not the process which is broken, it's the people. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The voters can be quite picky at times, I guess it's to do with the fact that it's easier to promote an editor to admin rather than to demote an admin.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  263° 9' 15" NET   17:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

That's exactly it. Some admins have recall procedures and so on, but they're ridiculous and full of wikilawyering. Some of the rules I've seen include: no ips, must be validated by at least 5 other editors, I get to choose 2 of the aforementioned 5 editors, etc. It's ridiculous. Adminship is currently a job for life, so RfA's are ridiculously hard to pass and incredibly demeaning to undergo. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

It used to so much more simple to get adminship during the early days of Wikipedia. All you had do to was leave a comment asking for adminship and you pretty much got it. Also, it is a lot easier on other wikis, for instance, at Simple English Wikipedia the criteria is three months of editing and I think about 1000 edits. I guess this is the result of this being the biggest Wiki!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  309° 23' 45" NET   20:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

<--Oh, I know. It amuses me to look back over the old RfA archives sometimes. Remnants of a more trusting time on the internet. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 21:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It stands to reason that in about a decade's time or so, it will be completely impossible to gain adminship here!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  335° 21' 45" NET   22:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Unless of course a good recall system is put in place. Once adminship is no longer seen as a "job for life", I'd say that standards will decrease. If people could be desysopped without needing an ARBCOM case, then more people would be given the tools. That's my running theory anyway. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess that's why it's a lot easier to get rollbacker, autoreviewer and edit filter rights!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  1° 12' 15" NET   00:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, although it's not that easy to get autoreviewer rights. 75 new articles? Pretty hard if you ask me. I've been here nearly 2 years and I've only created 3. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 13:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess it's mainly for those who create new articles on a regular basis, though having autoreviewer rights appears to benefit the new page patrollers a lot more than the editor who has the right!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  339° 30' 30" NET   22:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I believe it was intended to lessen the work of NPPs more than to benefit those who are regarded as trustworthy enough to have the right. There is a constant shortage of NPPs from what I understand, although I can't say that it's really an area that interests me. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

According to this, there are 1245 NPPs; but probably about a fraction of them are active at any one time. It seems that there are quite a few of these patrols around; I guess every little bit helps!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  357° 0' 30" NET   23:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Guess so. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Having autoreviewer rights is more like a badge ot trust than extra tools unlike rollback, which help out in vandalism fighting. However, rollback is a lot easier to get than autoreviewer rights, but it can be removed just as easily.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  273° 56' 0" NET   18:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

<--True, true. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, sometimes they can be a bit lenient on the 75 new articles criterion, after all you only need to show that you can be trusted to create articles properly, which many editors who don't have autoreviewer rights are. It could be more a case of "if you don't ask, you don't get", which seems a bit ironic considering that it's for the benefit of the NPPs!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  337° 25' 45" NET   22:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies, I missed your comment on my talkpage. *rolls eyes* Hazards of being too busy to check back more than one edit I guess. Yes, it's somewhat interesting really. All 3 of my articles have survived, which is something I'm very proud of; although Purple Hibiscus is in what I would generously describe as a terrible state. :( It's interesting - I work on pretty much nothing but pro wrestling articles, with the odd sportsperson or actor thrown in, and my first article was on a novel. Amuses me. :) But they do say diversity is the spice of life. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 05:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It is indeed good to have all your created articles survive deletion, especially as some articles can come and go in under a week, though in most cases they are nonsense articles or copyright violations etc. Also, I wouldn't say Purple Hibiscus is in that bad a state, as it's in much better condition than these three articles! Short articles in general aren't deleted straight away and usually have plenty of time for expansion, but for those that are deleted, there's always this!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  22° 23' 45" NET   01:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

*Grins* That image led me to Wikipedia:List of really, really, really stupid article ideas that you really, really, really should not create, which gave me a good laugh. :) True, true. I mean obviously there is no deadline, but I still wish Purple Hibiscus was a better article. I'll have to go back and take a look at it whenever I find some time and see if I can't improve it any more. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad it did, good old wikihumour, never fails to amuse! Improving the article is always a good idea though I guess that can be said for most articles here as a lot of them need improvement since only one in 171 articles is a good article and only one in 1,045 articles is a featured article. I guess eventually, most articles will be good articles, some articles will be featured articles and the rest will end up here!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  329° 40' 59" NET   21:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. And yet, sometimes a good stub is all you can ask of an article. I've never gotten an article to FA, "brilliant prose" is quite a stringent requirement. Plus, it's hard to find a balance with pro wrestling articles that ensures they're out of universe enough for everyone to understand, but in universe enough to satisfy the purists. I have a list of articles I'd love to get to GA, but since there's about 100 articles on it, I figure it's going to take me a while. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

FA articles are the best of the best that Wikipedia has to offer, so they naturally would be extremely well written and quite tough to achieve. However for most articles, GA status is enough as by that stage they would be well built articles. Sometimes it's better to merge articles rather than expand them, after all not every topic needs its own article!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  260° 30' 0" NET   17:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

True, true. I've tended to focus exclusively on GAs up until now, but I have designs on one or two FAs for 2010. It'll be interesting I think - I can knock out a GA in a few days and I'm curious to see how long it takes me to get an article FA-worthy. A very long time I suspect! ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 09:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Sound great! It's always good to have more Featured Articles on the way, after all someone's got to get the award and articles don't build themselves!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  5° 39' 0" NET   00:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

User page edit

Hi Thesevenseas, I'm not quite sure what you did on my userpage: the change you did now makes the icons cover up the buttons for my preferences, watchlist, and contributions. What was actually the problem beforehand? Thanks. Acalamari 21:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

After a bit of checking, it turns out that the new vector skin is displaying the icons lower that they should be and in such a way that they overlapped with the main part. It seems I mistook this for a misalignment, hence the edit. Sorry about that, I'll revert the edit.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  171° 44' 45" NET   11:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll report this to the developers, though I may need to show your userpage as an example. Thanks.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  199° 42' 45" NET   13:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Best. Acalamari 15:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  313° 7' 0" NET   20:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

rhônexpress logo

Thesevenseas, I saw that you had added the logo at File:Rhonexpresslogo.jpg to the infobox in Tramways in Lyon. Unfortunately, because this is a copyrighted logo you cannot use it in any article that you want. It should only be used in the Rhônexpress article itself with a fair usage rationale (which it has). WP:NFCC has more detail on this aspect of using copyrighted logos if you are not familiar with this. I have reverted your change to the Tramways in Lyon article. Boissière (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, from what I gathered it seemed that WP:NFCC implied that the logo could not be used in templates, but only in articles. This method involves having the logo in articles but not in the template; but if it should only be used in the Rhônexpress article, I'll fix that, though the template code is still good as if a free alternative comes along, it can be used instead. Thanks.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  173° 35' 45" NET   11:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I understand now what you were trying to do. You are quite right in saying that NFCC logos should not be used in templates (or from any non-mainspace page for that matter) but even if you did put them as parameters to an infobox you would still have the following problems

• They would still be visually inside the infobox and other people would probably make the same assumption that I did in that they were part of the infobox.
• You would have to write a fair usage rationale for each article that you used it in and for something like a logo that would be quite difficult to do.

Anyway, no harm done (I don't think that having it added anything to the infobox anyway). Boissière (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I've made some adjustments so that that logo in the infobox only displays on the Rhônexpress article and gives a plain link on the other articles. I guess you're right, it doesn't make too big a difference if it is left out, but the template code could prove useful, so I left that in. It could be useful to place a picture of the train could be used on the other articles or something similar where the logo would have been, that was it is not just a plain link. Thanks.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  339° 10' 30" NET   22:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

User page edit

Hi Thesevenseas. Listen, I appreciate you "updating" the badge status on my page, but I would appreciate it if I would get the chance to update it in my page. I mean no disrespect, is just that I would rather do it myself, then have someone else do it for me. My page is sacred to me, that's why. But, thanks for the update, it's very appreciated. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. If you prefer, I can revert it. I guess I'm too nice for my own good.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  252° 58' 0" NET   16:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

No, no it's fine. No need to revert your edit. :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Accepted   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  313° 18' 45" NET   20:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Twilight

Hi there, I noticed you reverted my edit to remove vandalism from the twilight article. I'm assuming this was accidental, but be careful when reverting edits as you could end up reverting good edits. :)   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  0° 26' 30" NET   00:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! I guess I'm not supposed to blame huggle, but your edit showed up as random symbols.

That's the problem with technology. *Pepperpiggle*^*Sign!* 00:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. The main thing is the vandalism has been dealt with. Hmm, I wonder it showed up as random symbols. Also, it seems that huggle reverted to a revision that still had sections missing! I guess some things are better done the old fashioned way. :)   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  2° 15' 45" NET   00:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Antipodes

Sorry to revert your edit, but OED indicates that, for the geographical meaning, the correct singular form is "antipodes." The plural form is exactly the same. The word appears in "Much Ado About Nothing" (Act II scene one), spelled "Antypodes," and there it's apparently in the singular. Ishboyfay (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't actually aware of that, hence this edit. However, it does seem that the revert is justified, so I'm fine with it and thanks for the comment explaining it.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  311° 11' 30" NET   20:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Your sig

Your signature is far outside of what the signature guideline allows:

<!--[[User:Where/sigContract]];Thesevenseas-->  {{fontcolor||Black|[[User:Thesevenseas|<span style="color:red">'''Set Sail'''</span>]] [[User talk:Thesevenseas|<span style="color:blue">'''For The'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thesevenseas|<span style="color:yellow">'''Seven Seas'''</span>]]  [[New Earth Time|<span style="color:mediumspringgreen">'''286° 59' 0" NET'''</span>]]}}  <!--ESC:Thesevenseas-->

Its 482 bytes long, nearly double the 255 byte maximum enforced in preferences. It also uses a template ({{fontcolor}}), which isn't allowed. The colors are also distracting and difficult to read (particularly blue-on-black). Mr.Z-man 19:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops, it totally slipped my mind that {{fontcolor}} was a template! I didn't realise I even made that mistake. I'll change it as soon as possible. Sorry about that.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  293° 6' 30" NET   19:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done I've changed it to this now.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  303° 43' 0" NET   20:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Calendar templates in my user space

Hello -

I appreciate your attempt to remove what you thought was unnecessary code from the calendar templates in my user space - thanks for the good ol' college try. :-) Unfortunately, I have learned through hour upon hour of bitter experience and experimentation in getting the damn thing to work that once it works, thou (and I) shalt not futz with it again, lest havoc reign supreme on my user page.

It's not a big deal, but what you removed was the closing braces for the #switch tag at the top of the page, which makes the calendar switch daily from October 10 to October 11 and so on. Without it, the tag was without a close, the template transclusion on my user page couldn't work and the havoc, of which I spoke earlier, did in fact take place. People may need therapy for years, it was so awful. ;-)

While troubleshooting the problem, I found you made the same change in User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarSeptember. That edit seemed to work out okay as far as I could tell - at least it did when I transcluded {{User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarSeptember}} specifically, by name, instead of with {{User:KrakatoaKatie/Calendar{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}} - but the template did not work when I used {{User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarOctober}}.

Why did your edit work for CalendarSeptember and not CalendarOctober? Who knows - I think it hates me. Gurch made the original calendarbox for his own user page, gosh, about three years ago - he graciously allowed me to swipe adapt his work - but I've kicked his calendar up several notches, with different date lists for different months. (That may be why it hates me.)

The calendarbox makes me crazy, but I love it, so it shall stay on my user page until someone designs another, more interesting user page gizmo, which I will like and then swipe adapt. Thanks again for trying, but I think I'll handle it from here. :-) - KrakatoaKatie 08:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops, it definitely wasn't my intention to cause havoc :), but on closer glances, it seems that there are two closing braces for the #switch tag in User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarSeptember instead of just one where the first one closes the switch tag and the second just shows up as two visible closing braces on the page when transcluded, that's why removing one of them worked fine. I probably assumed that the same thing happened in User:KrakatoaKatie/CalendarOctober, which isn't the case. I think you added this extra pair of closing braces here.   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  201° 54' 30" NET   13:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, you should consider a smaller user page of your own . As I type this, your user page is more than 82 KB, which is huge. (Articles and article talk pages should stay less than 40 KB.) There are thousands of dial-up/nonbroadband users of Wikipedia and they can get tied up for several minutes waiting for the page to load. Just a thought. Thanks. :-) KrakatoaKatie 08:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this is only temporary. I am looking to redesign it at some point. Mind you, I doubt my userpage is that popular!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  202° 1' 15" NET   13:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback}}

List of Nobel Peace Prize laureates

Hello, Thesevenseas. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at the Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Celestra (talk) 22:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Accepted   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  217° 0' 45" NET   14:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Thanks for fixing the template for me, I appreciate it very much (plus it will solve a deal of problems) Squidonius (talk) 10:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yay! My first barnstar! Set Sail For The Seven Seas 290° 13' 30" NET 19:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Chess game

In your move, is it e5 or c5? MC10 Chess (talk) 02:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Oops, that was meant to be c5! :)   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  316° 9' 15" NET   21:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Thanks, Thesevenseas, I'll open the card when the time reaches the 25th. :) Thanks for the gift, and a very Merry Christmas to you too. Best. Acalamari 23:41, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Acalamari, enjoy the holidays!!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  1° 40' 0" NET   00:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

A thank you from me too for the card, happy holidays and best wishes to you. Regards, Jeffrey Mall (talk • be merry) - 05:05, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't supposed to open it? Oops. Anyway...thanks for the card, thing. I'd return the gift with an overused holiday turkey, but I'm really tired. (its 12:00AM) Cheers and happy holidays, Abce2|Free lemonadeonly 25 cents! 06:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the Christmas wishes. I hope you and yours enjoy a merry Christmas and happy, safe new year. Tiderolls 11:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! Enjoy the new year!   Set Sail For The Seven Seas  237° 11' 45" NET   15:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy the season!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

May this season bring you joy and cheer The seven seas! --Coffee // have a cup // ark // 08:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Yet another thank you...

...and to you a blessed and merry Christmas. Thank you for the wonderful e-card. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 18:09, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho!

File:Father Winter Solstice.jpg

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec09}} to your friends' talk pages.

Xmas Wish

Thanks! How was your Xmas? :D

... and a happy new year!

I don't have a fancy template card thing, but I hope you had a good christmas, and best wishes for the New Year! ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the holiday card. I wish you have a happy new year. --Caspian blue 14:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Additional information of Aviation accidents and incidents templates.

Hi there! How's your Xmas and New Year? I hope for a better year at Wiki, and seriously, you must be wishing the same idea as well!

I just logged on to Wiki today, after returning from a holiday, and was just wondering, if you can fix the templates of Aviation accidents and incidents. If you can add the number of fatalities (including ground fatalities) and the equipment of each accident, that would be great. For the worst accidents of a year, please change the colour of the text to red.

As for other unrelated issues, perhaps the other railway transports (other than the Paris Metro) would need some help. Regards, ++/7107delicious (Gespräch)\++ 04:04, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I've had a look at the templates, but I don't see what needs fixing and I'm not sure what you mean by "the equipment of each accident". I can add the number of fatalities and I think the best idea for the text colour would be to create a colour template so that one change will change them all. Hope This Helps. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 255° 41' 30" NET 17:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

nb 7107yaddayadda is blocked and currently unable to comment here, so the {{tb}} on his or her talkpage is not going to do any good.   pablo_hablo. 17:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, I should learn to be more observant next time! Set Sail For The Seven Seas 290° 44' 30" NET 19:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)