User talk:Tgeorgescu/Archives/2019/August

John Bright

True but he was addressing the same issue being discussed (the evidential deficit). Friendly regards, Springnuts (talk) 23:53, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Firmament Talk

Hi Tgeorgescu,

Based on the contents of your user page, I can guess that you have little respect for the beliefs of mainstream Christianity, and so I understand why you would think that Answers in Genesis is not a reliable source of scientific information. However, I think that a good case can be made that it is a reliable source of information about the beliefs of mainstream Christians, inasmuch as they relate to creation science and intelligent design, which is a broad topic and includes the study of Biblical cosmology. The organization is under Ken Ham, who was noted for his debate with Bill Nye, and is also responsible for the (physically large) Ark Encounter museum; he has a well-known name among young-earth creationists, which is still considered a mainstream camp in Christianity. The articles on the website are vetted by the organization prior to publication. It's about as respectable as any Christian research website can be.

Apart from that, the argument itself (contained in the section which you removed) is neither complicated nor uncommon.

"God called the firmament heaven" "Birds fly in heaven" Birds cannot fly inside a solid object, therefore the firmament is not a solid object.

The argument is so simple that it doesn't even need citation outside of the Biblical references, because the Bible is commonly accessible, and the verses speak for themselves. As far as I know, information which is either common knowledge or immediately accessible needs no citation under Wikipedia's rules -- or else every point of information on Wikipedia, no matter how trivial, would need citation.

In addition, I find it unreasonable to suppose that an article describing a Biblical interpretation which disagrees with mainstream Christianity can be called unbiased, given that the primary practice of mainstream Christians is to study the Bible and conform their beliefs to the ideas expressed therein, and so in order for an article to disagree with them it would have to have been written by an outlier or someone who doesn't study the Bible. (That is without mentioning that Christianity is estimated by secular organizations to be, nominally, the largest belief group in the world, which I cite in support of the idea that that the mainstream sect, having so many people, is very likely to contain a large group who actually study the book). For this reason, an article which describes an interpretation of the Bible should at least allow the arguments of mainstream Christians to be expressed in it -- or else it doesn't show the full picture. Lastly, a person desiring to know what Christians believe may read a Wikipedia article which pertains to the Bible, and so if that article doesn't include the beliefs of Christians then it will be misleading.

Please explain in more detail why that section in Firmament broke the rules. Boxcartenant (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Boxcartenant: Reply at Talk:Firmament. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Nebuchadnezzar II Talk

Barok hasn't commented in 12 days. See that you keep editing the thread. Think the horse is officially dead... Ckruschke (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)Ckruschke

@Ckruschke: Four "newbies" showed at the article performing similar edits in about one month. So inside Wikipedia you never know when it's over. Tgeorgescu (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

True - the wolves are always just outside the reach of the torch... Ckruschke (talk) 19:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)Ckruschke

@Ckruschke: Speaking of the wolf: Special:Contributions/68.112.23.38. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Always fun. I've been doing similar things on inconsequential pages like Scooby Doo & VeggieTales (I moonlight on scholarly pages like Nebuchadnezzar and such, but know that I'm no expert and generally stick to sports, movies, and cartoon television of my youth), but its all the same - some moron comes along and wants to make up all kinds of crap and then put a pearl necklace on it and give it a little bit of lipstick... Ckruschke (talk) 17:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)Ckruschke