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Cannabinoid receptor intro work
Hi,
Just wanted to say thanks for the excellent work here. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Neuroscience
Hi, thanks for adding your name. I've been keeping watch over the project for the past year or so -- if there's anything I can do to be helpful to you, please let me know. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!
Thanks for the barnstar! —hike395 (talk) 21:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you.
Thanks for the anti-vandal barnstar. The articles about felids, like the cats themselves, need to be kept tidy. And, in some cases, improved. Thank you for noticing my efforts. Nice user page, BTW. Seduisant (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Articles lacking reliable references
Hi there! Thanks for your note on my Talk page. I'm now having an OMG moment about the articles listed as Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature/Cleanup listing#Articles lacking reliable references, which I've just started looking at. A lot of work to do there and I propose using the same criteria as for the Unreferenced BLPs. Any help you feel like giving there would be great!--Plad2 (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Assessments
Hi there! Just wanted to thank you for your help with the assessments of the articles about the places in Russia. Also wanted to point out that we normally rate the articles about the cities/towns (and larger urban-type settlements, especially those which serve as district administrative centers) as Mid-importance, and the cities which are the capitals/administrative centers of the federal subjects (like Penza) as High-importance. It's not that big of a deal, but helps keep ratings consistent. In other regards, you are doing great. Thanks again!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 22, 2010; 15:35 (UTC)
24. :-D
Hey. Newbie here. Thanks for welcoming me. The first thing I'm wondering is, how do I get a user page as impressive as yours?! Is there some organizing system one can use to personalize one's page like you have...?--Tue Sorensen (talk) 06:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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Your suggestions
Thank you for the comments you listed in Talk:Ice_Mountain. I finished reviewing the article (failed GA), and you saved me time by pointing out some issues you had already found in the article. Aaron north (talk) 00:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- Glad to know my work did some good! Thank you for the thank you! --Tea with toast (talk) 04:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. PS I love Tchaikovsky as well (Especially the Slavonic March) :) --Piast93 (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- Glad to hear it! I don't think I've ever heard his Slavonic March, I'll have to check it out. Thanks! --Tea with toast (talk) 18:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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Gjirokastër
Merry Christmas! Thanks for your time reviewing the article. I'll make the appropriate adjustments the following hours.Alexikoua (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- This edit of yours is pov [1] Alexikoua and although I understand your purpose since you mainly edit Greek minority of Albania articles you can't insist on adding on the lead such minor events for your own pov.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 22:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I can add the appropriated sources, also per wp:lead, these are 2 events that should be added in the lead: 1993 unrest and 1997 uprising. Alexikoua (talk) 22:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I can't understand why you removed both incidents, the 1997 uprising was irrelevant with the Greek community.Alexikoua (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- Minor events can't be added on the lead, while the 1997 events should be reworded since nothing actually happened in Gjirokaster.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 00:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I can't understand why you removed both incidents, the 1997 uprising was irrelevant with the Greek community.Alexikoua (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing that article. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 10:45, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Copy edit review request
If you could review my copy edit of Sardinian people I'd be grateful. Just making sure I'm off on the right foot. Grahamwest (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking this and for the advice and examples. Much appreciated. Grahamwest (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for the GA pass. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you!
Just a quick message to say 'thanks very much' for sorting out Mir for us; it's very much appreciated! :-) All the best, Colds7ream (talk) 09:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Math check
Hi, Tea with Toast. Would you mind checking my addition on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/January 2011/Barnstars page? adding the rollover words to the words earned this drive. Also, the newsletter is under development here; if you would like to check and copy edit it would be appreciated. Thanks. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- Sure! No problem, happy to help. --Tea with toast (talk) 03:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Edit count on Kutch article
Hi
I forgot to say the other day but I just remembered earlier tonight, well last night now - when I was going through Diannaa's archive a couple of nights ago, looking for a previous conversation we had about years and commas, I spotted your question about that huge article edit I did.
It was the first thing I knew about it and was a little embarrassed when I realised you were right about me getting the numbers wrong.
You asked how I had got the edit count out by 30 on Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya. That has bugged me as no matter how I tried to replicate it, I could not work out how that number happened. I have tried everything, copying it into word, taking out the books and ref sections etc, adding lists back in to the prosesize count, DYKcheck, everything! Still it did not make sense.
I normally use "Article (1000 Word)" when I have used word for the calculations, and as it does not have that on my edits page, I had to assume that I didn't calculate it with Word. (plus if I had used Word it would have given 33,575 once I had stripped out the Multiple issues tag, Books, Notes and Categories)
I have been up for a couple of hours now trying to work out what it is! I literally sat here going mad because it gave the 32,711 once again, just once, but then wouldn't repeat it.
I finally realised what it was when I thought my keyboard calculator was broken - it did it again, I had just added the first number+1715, you cannot see the first number as the LCD screen only holds two lines of text, so I subtracted 1715 and there was the answer !!! Woohoo!! 30,996 - I must have mistyped the number when I was adding it up. I don't think I spotted that list of 153, so I guess it is sort of ok? (as it should have been 30,966 + 1,715 + 153 = 32,834)
Still, it is a little rather embarrassing though! Took me four hours + 1/2 a jar coffee to work that out... couldn't sleep due to the caffeine so I Huggled some vandals to make me feel better lol Chaosdruid (talk) 16:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
GoCE Mentor?
Hi Tea with toast,
I'm new to GoCE and saw that you are interested in mentoring new members. GoCE is the perfect fit for me (I can't believe it took me a month or so to find it!). It seems as though we have similar interests, and I'm mostly looking for a second pair on eyes on my edits as I get started. I'm also active almost exclusively on the weekend. Please let me know if you would be willing to guide me as I dive into copy editing with great vigor!
Ejcallen (talk) 03:39, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
GOCE Mentoring
Hello Tea with toast,
Do you have time to mentor yet another new GoCE member? Having just completed the third course in a University of California copyediting certificate program, I no longer have an excuse to not participate with the Guild of Copy Editors—something I've been intending since becoming a Wikipedian a few months ago. Since I've a strong background in things technical, I suspect editing articles of that nature may be where I can most contribute (though I want to help where needed). Seeing that you have a science background, I am interested in your guidance.
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request for GOCE article review
I've been working on the Filmography of N T Rama Rao, and would like your feedback. This is my second article for the March CE backlog elimination drive. I've not removed any tags yet. [2]. Thanks Octopet (talk) 20:39, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind feedback on my edits to this article. I wondered about adding biographic material since it is linked to a detailed wiki article about his life. Thanks again Octopet (talk) 20:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Help with barnstars
Hi, Tea with Toast. I was wondering if you would have time to help hand out the barnstars from the March drive? with five people potentially able to help, we could have them all handed out really quickly! If you are interested, your task would be to send to people with usernames starting with the letters K through N (about ten persons). The document that gives barnstar results is here. Please let me know if you will not have time, and I will make other arrangements. Thanks. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
May drive
Hey, I started a rough draft for the next drive page. I made some changes with regard to 2009 article awards, but I figure we should all discuss it a little more to make sure the changes are okay. Let me know what you think. Thanks. —Torchiest talkedits 20:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
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WikiProject Wikify's April 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive awards!
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- And again. Guoguo12 (Talk) 03:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
GOCE elections
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May GOCE barnstar
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Your opinion would be appreciated
As a member of WikiProject Countries, I'm seeking your opinion on a possible issue identified at List of sovereign states. If you have some spare moments, please contribute a comment at the Discussion of criteria. Best regards, Nightw 06:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Rookley Manor
Please take a look at Rookley Manor for me. This article was hard to copy edit. I did some Google work, but didn't learn much that way. The result is not very good, but perhaps it passes inspection. Tell me what you think. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Mentor Request for Copyediting
Hello, I'm new to the Wikipedia participant community. Initial impetus is for a university class, but I would like to find something I can contribute to over time. Looking around for a place to start being useful, and with some background in copy editing and proofreading, the Guild seemed a place to start. I'm looking for a mentor and wondered if you might be available? Appreciate your consideration. Prairiedog2011 (talk) 05:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks!
Very pleased to be able to have a mentor to work with! Thanks for your initial comments and suggestions. I'm going to spend some quality time with the guide, I do struggle with the syntax and various pages, and anything that helps with additional detail is appreciated. I'm hoping to start in on some backlog fairly quickly, and also found it interesting that I've already been asked for help by someone. Time to dive in! I'm looking forward to this. Prairiedog2011 (talk) 05:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
August 2011 Wikification Drive
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Guild of Copy Editors July 2011 backlog elimination drive report
 Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors July 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for participating! Here is your end-of-drive report.
50 people signed up for the drive, of which 39 participated. Thanks to all who copy edited articles and helped us reduce the backlogs in both the total articles and requests. We offered a bonus for copy edits from the Requests page, and have been somewhat successful in reducing that backlog, as a record 89 new requests were received in the month of July.
During the month of July we reduced the backlog by 338 articles, or by about 8.5%. We did not reach our goal of a 10% reduction, but we came close, and did very well considering the small size of the group participating. Since our Backlog elimination drives began in May 2010, we have reduced the backlog by 4,708 articles. End-of-drive results can be found here. We will be handing out barnstars within the next week or two.
Please remember that the GOCE Requests page is receiving a high number of requests, with the number of August requests already above three per day. Any assistance to help keep the backlog down would be greatly appreciated. Our next drive will be in September. We hope to see you there! Your drive coordinators – Diannaa, Chaosdruid, The Utahraptor, Slon02 and SMasters |
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Sonderbehandlung
Thanks for taking up the GA review of Sonderbehandlung. I will work on your points. WilliamH (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've addressed your points. Thanks for your time. WilliamH (talk) 00:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
- Brilliant, and glad you found the article interesting. Once again, thanks for your time. :) WilliamH (talk) 00:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks: Obernewtyn (novel)
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RNA thermometer
Many thanks for the GA review Jebus989✰ 07:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
GoCE mentorship program
I have been wanting to join the Guild of Copy Editors for a long time, because much of the activity I do on Wikipedia by now is with copy editing, but I can't make heads or tails of anything on the project. I can't even figure out how to join. I saw that you had put your name on the list of mentors on this page, and I was wondering whether you could mentor me. Please notify me on whether you would like to take me up on my request or not at my talk page. Cheers and happy editing, pluma Ø 01:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC).
A barnstar for you!
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Guild of Copy Editors
I have begun my copy editing, but I have been wondering whether copy edits should be done in one edit, or if they can be done in a series of edits just in case some one over looks or ignores the "This article is currently undergoing a major copy edit by the Guild of Copy Editors" template. I also can't figure out the back log elimination drive.Thanks for your help and Happy editing! pluma Ø 02:24, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
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Guild of Copy Editors September 2011 backlog elimination drive update
 Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors September 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Here's the mid-drive newsletter.
We have had 55 people sign up for this drive so far, and 31 have participated. If you have signed up but have not yet copy edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! It's not too late to join the drive if you have not already done so. Another great way to help out is to watch-list the Coordinators talk page and participate in the ongoing development of the Guild.
So far, we have reduced the backlog by 75 articles, or about 19% of our goal. We have also cleared January 2010 off of the queue and are close to clearing off February and March. If each participant were to copy edit two articles from February and March 2010, they would be completely eliminated from the queue.
Several concerns have been brought up this drive about the usage of rollover words. Rollover words only count if they're from the previous drive. For example, if you received 1,000 rollover words in March and didn't participate in May, your rollover words return to zero. This is to encourage participation in multiple consecutive drives. Your drive coordinators – Diannaa, Chaosdruid, The Utahraptor, Slon02 and SMasters |
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6 minutes for a review? Did you not notice the clunky prose? Did you check for plagiarism or that the sources support the statements? I have started a thread on this at WT:Good article nominations#6 minute review. By the way you did not complete the steps outlined at WP:GAN. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:04, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Neophyte Needs Mentor
Hi there! Thank you for all you've done on Wikipedia. It takes a very dedicated person to volunteer so much of their time, and knowledge. I recently signed up as an editor, and was hoping you had room for one more newbie to help in deciphering some of the many acronyms, common practices, and article-adding/editing procedures.Ezref (talk) 14:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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GOCE drive newsletter
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors September 2011 Backlog elimination drive! We would like to thank all who participated in this drive. Here is the end-of-drive report.
There were 58 editors who signed-up for this drive, of which 42 participated. This is a slight increase from the July 2011 drive participation, where 39 out of 50 people that signed up participated. Thank you to everyone!
During the drive, we reduced the backlog by 146 articles, or by about 4%. Overall we did well, especially considering the exceptionally large number of articles that were tagged during September. Thus far we have reduced the copy edit backlog by 4854 articles, or by about 58%. If we keep up our current rate of copy editing, the backlog should be reduced by 65–70% by the end of this year. End-of-drive results and barnstar information can be found here. Barnstars will be handed out this week. Once again, thank you for participating in the Guild's September 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Our next drive will be in November, and we hope to see you there! Your drive coordinators – Diannaa, Chaosdruid, The Utahraptor, Slon02 and SMasters |
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Hi -- probably time to fail that article, which you're reviewing for GAN, as I expect you've forgotten. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Looie, I have not forgotten about the Reelin review. I am still hoping that the primary author will show up to address the remaining article issues. If he does not, I will make the necessary changes to the article so that it can pass the review. I don't have the time to fix it right now, but I do aim to do that in the future. --Tea with toast (話) 01:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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GOCE drive newsletter
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Hey. Just noting that you may as well make the changes you noted to get the article passed, since it remains pretty much untouched and it's been on hold for those guys long enough. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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