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Second opinion requested

Hello, I hope you are having a happy new year. I was hoping you could give me a second opinion on the G6 speedy deletion I declined on IFK Uppsala (disambiguation). This redirect was targetting IFK Uppsala, which I interpreted essentially as a disambiguation page (albeit one with an infobox and two sourced sentences) and the nominator did not believe was a DAB page because it had referenced material and no {{disambiguation}} template. Would you mind taking a look and letting me know what you think? Thanks. –Grondemar 19:54, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@Grondemar: I may be missing something. I don't see any recent edits to that page not a speedy nomination nor a declination. That said it appears to be neither fish nor fowl. It's sort of an article in sort of a dab page but I'm not sure it should be either. We don't generally need a dab page when there's only two items; we can use hat notes. However, if we look at the content in the three separate articles there's barely enough for one article let alone two and definitely not three. One option is to merge the whole bunch into one proper article. (FYI, happy to see you editing again.)--S Philbrick (Talk) 22:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

I just realized when posting another message below that I forgot to thank you for this message, so a belated Thanks! –Grondemar 05:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Restore a deleted page - Draft:Formulae (software)

Hi Sphilbrick:

You have deleted a draft page I created several months ago. I was not able to continue editing it at the time, but am interested in doing so now. Would you mind restoring Draft:Formulae_(software) please ? Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugalde (talk • contribs) 20:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@Lugalde: Looks like someone beat me to it.--S Philbrick (Talk) 11:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

CFD on Commons for UConn categories

FYI I opened a CFD on Commons here to try to align the naming conventions of the UConn categories to be the same as they are over here. This would make it a lot easier to link Commons categories for articles over here. Since you have a lot more Commons experience than I do, would you mind taking a quick look and making sure I did everything right? Thanks. –Grondemar 05:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

@Grondemar: Will try to look soon, I'm traveling (returning from a UConn game in Tulsa) --S Philbrick (Talk) 11:27, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Smartmatic edits

Hi Sphilbrick, I hope you saw my edit on the WP:MOS discussion board. What did you have in mind for the edits?--ZiaLater (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I had not seen your contribution, so thanks for alerting me. I don't think that's the proper place for your response. I was posting on that noticeboard to get some views on general policy not to debate the specific situation. As you can see, it is even clear that's the right noticeboard for the policy discussion but it definitely is not the right location for the specific debate. I urge you to move your contribution to the article talk page, where I will respond.--S Philbrick (Talk) 21:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I was confused about everything as well.--ZiaLater (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

That's quite alright. It is quite common in Wikipedia to need to distinguish between general policy issues and the specific application of a policy, although for obvious reasons there is often some overlap. In this specific case, I felt that are guidance on policy was lacking so I thought it would be useful to get some general guidance. That isn't going as well as I had hoped.

I do want to respond to your specific issues, although I will be away for almost a week starting in the morning so I may or may not have a chance to work on it before I return.

Knowing myself, if I don't get to it shortly I will get distracted by some other shiny objects so don't hesitate to prod me again in about a week if I haven't responded.--S Philbrick (Talk) 22:53, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. I know that the origin of the company is an important issue but its not due to POV or other issues. It would be important to mention due to the information surrounding the company, it often states that it is an American, Dutch or British company when it is in fact Venezuelan (most of its workers are from there as well). It's what the sources say so that is why I placed it. Just trying to sum things up for the discussion here as well.--ZiaLater (talk) 00:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello again.--ZiaLater (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Columns error

Hey, if you have a moment, can you take a look at this and tell me what I did wrong? That big blank space is a problem. Thanks! ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 04:14, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@TheOldJacobite: The problem arises because the columns want to have a rectangular area that is too wide to sit left of the infobox, so it has to go below it. Sometimes a clear template helps; I didn't expect t to work and it did not. One option is to consider whether the list has to precede the reception section, if you could swap them, the problem will go away. If that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas, except to ask at WP:VPT--S Philbrick (Talk) 04:25, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought the infobox was the problem, and there's no way to make it shorter. Yes, I think I will switch them. As this is a documentary, not a fictional film, the rule about the cast coming second doesn't really apply. If someone disagrees, they can revert me, but as I see it, it's the only solution. Thanks again. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 13:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I see that @Jonesey95: (thanks!) edited to use a different way to do the columns, which solves the problem. --S Philbrick (Talk) 13:18, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that as well. I still think three columns would be better, but have no desire to play with it any further. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 01:25, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I added |colwidth=15em, which gives three columns on my screen. It will not do so on all screens, but I think mine is a pretty typical size. On wider screens, it will probably show four or more columns. FWIW, I think three columns looks better also. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:31, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

3 cols on my laptop.--S Philbrick (Talk) 12:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Five columns on mine, but that's fine. Thanks! ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 00:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Six on my home computer screen--S Philbrick (Talk) 12:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of The Connection (Band)

Hello,

I see that the article for The Connection^[1], a band from New Hampshire, was deleted on January 8, 2017. The deletion code (G5) suggests that it was submitted by a banned/blocked user and not edited substantively since creation. I've used the page before and found the content valid and useful. Is there an easy way to get it restored and considered "valid"?

Thank you,

CForce (talk) 04:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)CForce

References

^ https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=The_Connection_%28band%29

@CForce: Unfortunately, I don't believe that will be possible. There's an obvious tension between, on the one hand, our goal to provide useful content to readers which would support restoration, and our need to keep editors who refuse to follow policy from being able to contribute. Allowing restoration reduces the incentive for editors to follow reasonable rules. Not every editor takes the same position, so someone else may be sympathetic to your request but I will not restore the article. You are welcome to start over and create an article about the band yourself if you do not have a conflict of interest.--S Philbrick (Talk) 16:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Fair use?

Please see this diff. As I recall, fair use concerns increase when the quote is more than 300 words, and this one may be in the 800-word range. Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 18:20, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding as I have been out of town.

@Unscintillating: It's my opinion that the passage is far too long. You mentioned that fair use concerns increase when the quote is more than 300 words but as you may know, there is no bright line limit. A quotation of 300 – 400 words used by The Nation was deemed to be not fair use, so if there is a number it is almost certainly south of 300. I believe the copyright regulars in Wikipedia have made the conscious decision to stay well below that number for the simple reason that if you get too close to the limit you might win in court but that would be expensive.

While one might argue that inclusion in an article is different than inclusion in a discussion page, I don't think the law makes that distinction. I know I have cringed on occasion when I see a discussion about whether something is a copyright violation and someone posts excerpts of the source material and the Wikipedia page for compare and contrast. I understand the goal but I think we technically commit a copyright violation if the copied material is too long. However, in many examples the copied material has been under 300 words but we are still arguing that it is too close so we may be in a position that it violates our internal rules but does not violate copyright law.

I didn't do a word count but if this is 800 words it's far too long and I think it should be removed do you want to do it or should I?--S Philbrick (Talk) 16:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I see that The Nation case was unpublished work, which this is not. However, the intent here appears to be to give information from behind a paywall and may have been large percentage-wise. Since I see screenshots of material from Newspapers.com, for all I know these services realize that getting their name mentioned in the context of a flawed copy has benefits. Lots a issues I don't have experience with. But I'd say that there is no downside to a rev-del of the one diff. Unscintillating (talk) 01:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@Unscintillating:

Done--S Philbrick (Talk) 02:34, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

File:JUMO Logo.png

Hi, are you able to restore the prior version of File:JUMO Logo.png. It was incorrectly licensed as fair use leading to a non-free reduction and revision deletion however I have corrected the licensing to "PD-logo", allowing the larger version to exist. Thanks, Salavat (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@Salavat:

Done --S Philbrick (Talk) 13:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the deletion

Thank you for deleting my post. If there was a copyright issue you could have fixed it, I added much valuable information which you just took away. Good job! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinocako (talk • contribs) 22:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@Dinocako: There are hundreds of copyright issues every week. I've addressed 54 in the last two days. If we spent the time to fix every one of them, we would do nothing else. I don't think you fully comprehend the magnitude of the copyright problem. It is a struggle just to keep up with the incoming flood by removing such violations. You can help us by not committing such violations. I'm sorry some noninfringing valuable work was lost but there's not enough time in the day to address the flood of issues. (As an aside, I continue to be stunned that some people compose their edits in the edit box as opposed to off-line in an editor. I'll type a few words or maybe a sentence into an edit box but anything longer and I want to have an off-line version in case something is lost. Why do people do this?)--S Philbrick (Talk) 23:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Greetings, Sphilbrick -

I'd created a new page in 2015 (Draft:ID Wholesaler) and went through several iterations to make it compliant with Wikipedia guidelines. On the last iteration I submitted, editor Onel5969 informed me that I needed additional citations in order for my page content to be considered for approval.

It took a while, but I finally have a viable citation to incorporate into my content about ID Wholesaler (two, actually).

Can you please undelete it for me so that I may move forward on this?

Thank you very much for your time and consideration of my request.

MaeDarla (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2017 (UTC)MaeDarla

@MaeDarla: I see it here: Draft:ID_Wholesaler--S Philbrick (Talk) 13:39, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

MaeDarla (talk) 14:06, 23 January 2017 (UTC)MaeDarla

Thank you, Sphilbrick! My apologies for any confusion (I'm a bit rusty...obviously!).

MaeDarla (talk) 14:06, 23 January 2017 (UTC)MaeDarla

That's OK. --S Philbrick (Talk) 14:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

H. D. Smith & Co.

Hi SP! I think your instincts may have been right here. That content looks to be from [1], part of a 2009 newsletter. The section in question was written by Bill Taggart, who elsewhere in the newsletter is stated to be the editor. Crow^Caw 00:02, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm still not quite sure what happened, it looked clearly like a copy, but the claimed copy was from the article itself. I've seen false positives arising from a move of a section to another part of the article, so I reverted myself. Given the large number of open items at Copypatrol, I just moved on to something cleaner.--S Philbrick (Talk) 01:08, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Crow: I plan to revisit this today but procrastination helped; I see that Diannaa has taking care of this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.--S Philbrick (Talk) 13:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Madhurima_Narla

Hi,

the page I have been working has been deleted. Please restore it so that I can fix it and submit again. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Madhurima_Narla

Thank you

It is not deleted. Maybe someone restored it?--S Philbrick (Talk) 22:49, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Restore of Draft:Uniti

Hi @Sphilbrick, You have deleted a draft page I created in the summer. I was not able to continue editing it at the time and add more credible sources, but I would like to do that now. Found many good sources and the car has been successfully crowdfunded, so there would be much more relevancy now to have a page on it. Could you please restore Draft:Uniti ? Thanks! :) VerenaKit (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@VerenaKit:

Done Draft:Uniti--S Philbrick (Talk) 13:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thirty pieces of silver

Could you please reverse your reversal on this page. I was currently working on it and put a great deal of effort into it before you nuked it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkHSmith (talk • contribs) 23:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@MarkHSmith:Reversals are occasionally appropriate but not in the case of copyright violations. Please ask for more information if you do not understand copyright issues or if you think I was mistaken that it was a copyright violation. Please note that comments should go at the bottom, luckily I saw this but I could easily have missed it.--S Philbrick (Talk) 23:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Could I have more information on the copyright violation? I was not aware of any and if so it was unintentional. Could you at least email me the last edit so that I can work on the text remotely and cite any sources. I lost many hours of work and was in mid-progress before it got nuked. Thanks! :)

@MarkHSmith:Normally, I include a URL to the source texts in the edit summary. I see that I did not in this case, and for that I apologize. The key edit is the one at 18:52, 21 January 2017 which added about 4K bytes of information. Of the many subsequent edits were edits to that section, some were not, but it is a fact that the way our software rollback works that if we have to rollback an edit the system rolls back all edits associated with the same editor at the same time.

That edit is no longer viewable because I have revision deleted it, but it is a copy and paste of the material in the section titled Ancient Prices. See link

You mentioned that it was inadvertent; I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how that could be.

As an important aside, I've learned from painful experience never to simply type an edit into the edit box when it is more than a sentence or so. Stuff happens; sometimes the system freezes up, sometimes edits get reverted inadvertently, so for a variety of reasons I compose edits and an off-line editor and then copy the material into the edit box. That way, if something goes wrong I don't lose my work.

We can provide copies of edits in many circumstances but not when they are copyright violations. Please be aware of something that many editors misunderstand; it is not acceptable to copy and paste material from another source and then rewrite it so that it isn't an exact match. Modest rewriting leaves it as a close paraphrase which is still a copyright violation, and even if it is changed enough so that it is no longer a copyright violation, the original violation is still in history and needs to be removed.--S Philbrick (Talk) 20:47, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Thanks for the thorough explanation! I am still learning wiki. :)

@MarkHSmith: You are welcome, it is a complicated place so hang in there. As an aside you don't need to ping me here, I automatically get a notification when anyone posts on my talk page. I'm leaving a ping for you because you will not automatically get a notification otherwise when I respond on my own talk page.--S Philbrick (Talk) 15:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter - February 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news

When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration

The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

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13:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Restore a deleted page: ILY from 38,000 FT

Hi Sphilbrick, You have deleted a draft page I created a few months ago. I was not able to continue editing it at the time, but am interested in doing so now. Could you please restore ILY from 38,000 FT ? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.136.247.233 (talk) 01:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, that was a G5. Creations by banned or blocked users - so I cannot restore it.--S Philbrick (Talk) 13:57, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

See here, G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G9, G10, G11 and G12 are cannot restore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.251.175.162 (talk) 07:03, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Working Man's Barnstar

Sphilbrick, thank you so much for spending a good several hours helping to clear Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old, which was at over 400 files when I checked it yesterday. This is the epitome of the kind of behind-the-scenes janitorial work that typically gets overlooked by the community, and I wanted to let you know that your time and dedication is much appreciated.

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar is awarded to those who work tirelessly and endlessly on the more laborious or repetitive of Wikipedia tasks. Mz7 (talk) 05:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank-you--S Philbrick (Talk) 12:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

File:Power Rangers (2017 Official Theatrical Poster).png once again

Hi Sphilbrick. We've discussed File:Power Rangers (2017 Official Theatrical Poster).png once before at User talk:Sphilbrick/Archive 72#File:Power Rangers (2017 Official Theatrical Poster).png, and thought that things had been pretty well straightened out, but the same thing that happened before has happened again. An editor has "updated" the file with a new and completely different version. I've posted something about this on this editor's user talk page at User talk:Sb1990#Updating image files, but not sure what effect that will have. For some reason, this particular file seems to susceptible to this kind of edit, perhaps because there do exist multiple versions of this movie poster in circulation. I'm not looking to get anyone blocked because I believe the uploads are being made in good faith. I am, however, if there's a template or something which can be added to the file's page to inform editors that they should upload completely different versions of this poster as a new different file and not as an update. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at File talk:Power Rangers (2017 Official Theatrical Poster).png#Discussion on overwriting of file when you get the chance and clarifying/ correcting any mistakes I might have made? Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

RfC on "No paid editing for Admins" at WT:COI

I've relisted an RfC that was run at WT:Admin in Sept. 2015. It is at Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest#Concrete proposal 3 as there are a number of similar proposals going on at the same place. Better to keep them together. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks--S Philbrick (Talk) 17:14, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

(Reverted good faith edits by RuthHarrisonGinetta

Hi,

I am the PR Executive for Ginetta Cars and spent yesterday afternoon working on an update to our Wiki page. I arrived in the office this morning to see [Sphilbrick] had deleted all my updated and reverted to content three years out of date. Please restore the version I created yesterday and allow me to continue to edit.

All photos are paid for and all content is written by me.

@RuthHarrisonGinetta: There are two problems. You have a Conflict of Interest. I see that this has been reported to you on your talk page, along with relevant information. The second is that the material you added was a copyright violation. It may surprise you, but this is true even if you are the original author of the material. Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, although this is very rarely the right step when in the case of text.--S Philbrick (Talk) 13:30, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Otrs

Dear sir I wanted to volunteer to OTRS from the marathi Wikipedia i have been very particular to Copyright material and have been leading Copyright revolution on marathi Wikipedia. To expand my scope i wanted to be a volunteer at OTRS as I am well knowledge of English hindi and marathi variants.. help me in the same about procedure as local volunteer to it.. Do assist me with the same --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०^{†ลℓк †๏ мэ} 14:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tiven2240: Can you tell me something about your experience? I suppose I could check on myself, but give me some broad information, how many edits, how long have you been editing?--S Philbrick (Talk) 14:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I have a total of 1,346 edits and being on Wikipedia since last 4 mnts --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०^{†ลℓк †๏ мэ} 14:23, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Typically, OTRS agents have ten thousand edits, usually many more and have a couple years experience, often more.

We definitely need more agents, I am almost drowning trying to keep up, and our need for agents with skills in other languages is quite acute, but I think it would be best to have more experience first. I hope you will write back, and we can discuss the next steps.--S Philbrick (Talk) 14:29, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

It's ok sir thanks for your assistance do have a look at tomorrows media of the day of Commons it's uploaded by me.. thanks for giving me yr precious time.--✝iѵɛɳ२२४०^{†ลℓк †๏ мэ} 14:36, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Congrats, can you give me a link? I can probably find it, but if you link it, I'll check it out.--S Philbrick (Talk) 14:57, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org for the 9th February 2017. --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०^{†ลℓк †๏ мэ} 16:09, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

thanks --S Philbrick (Talk) 16:46, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

OTRS

Hi. Is there a help desk at OTRS that I can help with? I'm currently an OTRS member, and work for processing permission tickets for Commons, however, I don't feel like having the project on my mind right now, so I'd figure I try something else. -- MCMLXXXIX 16:22, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure whether you are referring to places like:

Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard

and

Wikipedia:OTRS noticeboard

or mean some place like:

Cafe

If the latter, it is underused, although I'm thinking of adding something soon.--S Philbrick (Talk) 16:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

No. What I meant was is there some type of assistance that info-en needs? -- MCMLXXXIX 17:27, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Some more help plz

I didn't find a suitable place to ask a question so plz do assist me with the same Is there any bot on wiki which can find files which has no tag(license) on it as in Marathi Wikipedia we have many of them but are not found easily if such exist can it function on marathi Wikipedia? --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०^{†ลℓк †๏ мэ} 18:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank-You....Okay, the Sandbox.

I need to reread the edit procedure, spend some time in the sandbox.

Thanks CallahanRobert (talk) 14:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@CallahanRobert: Please be aware that you cannot copy material subject to copyright to a sandbox, not even temporarily.--S Philbrick (Talk) 14:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)--S Philbrick (Talk) 14:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

hang on a sec

Hey you just deleted an orphaned file that shouldn't be orphaned... or did you only delete previous versions? Not sure.

File == File:Statesman j.jpg.

I've been on vacation for a few weeks, and while I was gone a Valued Editor who has a history of..... something or other... deleted shtuff from Bengal famine of 1943.

I'm back, and it's going back.

Tks Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 03:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Lingzhi:I just deleted the earlier version. It was too large to qualify as Fair Use, so a bot reduced it and I deleted the old version.--S Philbrick (Talk) 03:15, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Lingzhi: However, Fair Use images are not permitted in sandboxes, so it is likely someone will be removing it for other reasons. Is that planned to be an article soon?--S Philbrick (Talk) 03:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

It was in the article a couple weeks ago, and as I said, a Valued Editor struck. I... long story... could revert those edits, and deal with the flak. That would be the quick option. Or I could finish the sand box, which will be slow. Either option presents problems, but if deletion looms, I'll deal with the flak. Tks. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 03:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't plan to take action, but you should soon.--S Philbrick (Talk) 03:33, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Isn't Wikipedia fun? Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 03:38, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Usually yes, but there are days :)--S Philbrick (Talk) 12:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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