User talk:Smccoy38

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Proposed deletion of Steve Rimpici

The article Steve Rimpici has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Rimpici

This article is horribly sourced. Please read our policy on what a reliable source is, and how to cite sources in footnotes. Most of the article is not footnoted. Some of it will never have reliable third-party sourcing, such as the commercials and Narrations and Corporate VOs. These cannot be sourced to the subjects own website or resumé, they must be sourced to independent third-party sources. I'll be removing large parts of the article. Don't return them without citing your sources using footnotes. Yworo (talk) 17:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did research on other voiceover artists as well (more well-known) like June Foray, Casey Kasem, Frank Welker, and Bill Ratner. They all have only a few sources. I can certainly change the format to be more prose rather than credit listing. Would that help?

More prose is good, but filmographies are fine. My main concern is the Commercials and Corporate sections. If there are reliable sources, real articles, not just a DB entry, then discussing the most important of these in prose would certainly add to the article. But if the only source for these is the subject's website or resumé, it would be better to just leave them out. Lists of works do not have to be complete, focusing on the most important works, which have reviews and other sources that IMDb would make for a better article. The external links section can point people to more complete lists.... Yworo (talk) 23:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and the rules for biographies of living people have been made much stricter over the last few years. Articles that have been here awhile may indeed be undersourced. New BLP's receive much more scrutiny now. That's probably why the other articles only have a few sources. Any help adding sources to those as well (when you are done with this article) would be greatly appreciated. Yworo (talk) 23:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Steve Rimpici.jpg

Question, do you own the rights to all five images in this collage? Because if you don't, it's a copyright violation and will have to be deleted. Every one of the five photos has to be your own work, not just the collage. Yworo (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest?

Hello Smccoy38. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Steve Rimpici, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 21:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

December 2011

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Steve Rimpici. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first page and I'm trying to get it right. I appreciate the comments you've given.

What needs to be footnoted?

I'm in school studying film and TV (with a particular interest in voiceovers). Mr. Rimpici was the subject chosen to do a wiki page for. Are YouTube videos considered reliable sources if they are on a different person (or studio's) channel?

Is IMDB a reliable source?

Smccoy38 (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am glad to help. IMDb is reliable for non-personal things like title, date, credits, etc, but not for biographical details. These need to be sourced to more reliable biographical sources. YouTube videos aren't so much sources as examples. The thing to watch out for there is to make sure the uploader is authorized by the copyright holder. The subject's channels and the studio's channels are safe, but best not to link to one uploaded by a third party.

Ultimately, it would be best to have a footnote citation to a credits page for each work. (See Template:IMDb for a cleaner way to cite IMDb.) Also, lists should generally not be completely inclusive. Filmographies for voice actors would typically list the major works, but not minor ones. This is sometimes indicated with the heading "Partial filmography" or "Selected filmography". The interested reader can follow the IMDb link in the external links section if they want a complete listing. I would not include commercials or other work unless they have been reported in the media - the citations for these should go to published article which are interesting to read. I am happy to help... but please try not to revert me. I can properly format references, and anything that has been taken out can be put back if there is a good reason to do so. Does this make sense? Yworo (talk) 23:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question: IMDb is generally not considered to be a reliable source. WP:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb says:

As an external link: Y Generally yes.
As a reliable source: N Generally no.
Common issues: The IMDb website generally contains more information than the Wikipedia article, including information that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to amount of detail. However, content is user-submitted and therefore not generally reliable. (This includes biographies, which cannot be directly edited.)

I've also just done some cleanup on the article, and based on the policies about biographies, I'm just not seeing how this article can pass the notability requirements unless you find many more solid references to him. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 23:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]