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Retirement

Look at your first contribution, and then look at your several last.

You are destroying my work. ;0)

At least promise that you'll be returning one day? --PaxEquilibrium 07:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict between me and you

I was just reverting the anon at the same time. ;)

Cheers!

P.S. Did you hear that Nebojsa Medojevic will run for President? --PaxEquilibrium 19:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I heard that Filip Vujanovic might not be the DPS representer. I also heard that Milo Djukanovic is going to make a re-run for President again (that's why he resigned, he's coming back). He was just reelected as DPS leader.

If Milo runs instead of Filip, Nebojsa is bound to win. However if he Filip runs again, I think there will be a truly Montenegrin-style epic clash (50%-55% for one) between the two...

Well considering that in several days they'll bring up the Constitution, I think there will be strong grounds for a Montenegrin-language Wikipedia. However it has come to my attention the Wikimedia committee's mention that the not a single Serbo-Croat Wikipedia will be created (any more; and that includes the non-existent Montenegrin). That doesn't mean of course that after the language's proclamation and officialization the project won't have my wholesome support.

Cheers! Mh, no biggy. I have "wiki-enemies" with Serbian, Croatian, Bosniak and even Montenegrin (I've had Albanian, but they're all banned now) nationalists, and I guess it's hard to fight them all (many see me as traitors - supporting them on one thing, than totally opposing them on another; because I try to stay in the middle). --PaxEquilibrium 19:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I know. Time passes so quickly (it feels to me like the night was in the streets was yesterday). ;) --PaxEquilibrium 19:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you consider Filip Vujanovic a Serbian nationalist because of the Ecclesiastic thing? --PaxEquilibrium 19:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The Serbian List will not have a candidate. It itself adopted a policy of marginalism, accepting that the Serbs are a numerous nation in Montenegro (a bad thing to myself, further divisions), which would be insane for it to give President, giving up from NS's aims. And I think if there's a clash between Filip/Milo and Nebojsa, it's obvious they'll support Nebojsa - most probably *giving that necessary 50%+ push*.

That should not come as a shock. If you see my comments just prior to the referendum (between me and CrnaGora e.g.), when Serbian nationalists (User:Bormalagurski) mass-insulted me, you wouldn't be shocked.

I was (and AFAIK am still) a strong proponent of the razdruzenje of the dying non-functional 'mutant'. Svetozar Marovic was its practical dictator for God's sake! A restructuring of the state into a more functional one might've been interesting, but was far from the political reality. IMHO I've been urging the Montenegrin community in Serbia (~300,000) to drop the demands for rights to vote (since it would obviously fail then, duh). I myself had an incident with Slavenko Terzic (er, please don't ask).

Of course I wholesomely supported the independence of the Republics of Montenegro and Serbia, and my opinion has not changed one bit since the referendum. :) I have only afterwards remained harshly overcritic regarding how it was conducted... but now you get why I am a supporter of the Movement for Changes... right? :D Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium 20:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

My general attitudes belong to neither side. The moment most Montenegrins realize like me that they must STOP constantly dividing into two *sides* (artificial non-useful creation) in the past 100 years, only then will Montenegro enter a stage of progress. My opinions are not ideological, but based on rationale. I noted that because Montenegro was already independent the moment I asked. E.g. you might've noticed that I wholesomely supported independence of Montenegro, I am neutral on the nationality and language issue - but I personally think it's foolish for those Serbs to identify themselves as such and can't really understand the Montenegrin language *need* (although basically do) and am practically allergic to the Montenegrin Orthodox Church. And those are all because of specific and individualized reasons - not because of any "aim".

Terzic is one of the leading Serbian Montenegrins. He's an academic, a very professed one - but a fierce Serb nationalist.

I never mentioned any opposition bloc - just the obvious fact that they'll all support a PzP candidate, rather than DPS. (duh) :) Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 14:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

SNP

I have absolutely no personal bonds/sympathies with the Socialist People's Party. This has only got to do with my disappointment of the so-called "democratic" regime in Montenegro after 2000 and the evident fact that it became the better choice. However with the Movement for Changes at the scene, there is no place for any other right now. --PaxEquilibrium 09:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Racism

I know, I've read it before. :)))

Was it supplemented to you by Critika1 too?

P.S. http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Administrative_divisions_of_Montenegro&diff=prev&oldid=135878797 What do you mean by bad faith term? --PaxEquilibrium 10:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Err... bad faith means not that it's a bad term, but that I intentionally, out of bad faith, put it there. ;( Do you really think that?
Who was it (the racist theory), if I may know? --PaxEquilibrium 11:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you please inform me of the forums in question? --PaxEquilibrium 19:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Montenegrin First League 2006-07

No problem, don't mention it. And please, feel free to expand the article. I'm not Montenegrin myself as you probably knew from my user page, so I have very few sources for information, and thus I literally don't know what else to put up there. But I felt it was important to put it up there, anyway.

By the way, does the First League have a specific logo (seperate from the Football Association logo)? I was looking for one for the main First League page infobox, but a quick google search only found the FA logo. Or maybe you'd like to put up that yourself?

Either way, glad to oblige, and I'll be interested to read the other stuff you add later. Falastur2 19:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Milo Djukanovic

I believe he was wrong about one thing.

If memory serves me well, Milo's straight (heterosexual). ;) --PaxEquilibrium 22:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Piece of nationalistic crap on Montenegrin articles

Wow there. ;) Remember the civility.

Don't let stupid dumb little things annoy, ever; no matter what they are. Cheers! :) --PaxEquilibrium 15:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I'll just tell you a single (or better, two) cunning words: don't.

Cheer. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 20:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Unified opposition?

The only thing that divided them was the statehood question... which is no longer here...

LSCG in 2001 supported Predrag Bulatovic for Prime Minister, but had to withdraw support because Bulatovic said he won't propose an independent Montenegro. They said that they supported Filip Vujanovic with a very grave heart...

I know some of the constitutional questions (language, religion) pose a still dividing problem, but they're no strong as this one - and they're about to end too. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 21:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The Serbs will never make a government, that's sure - but I think that no "Milo in the opposition" gov cannot be made without 'em, at least their support.
With SNP operating itself from NS & DSS, the two latter don't stand a chance because of the small number of supporters. I personally doubt that NS and DSS would alone in a coalition stand at the next election, so they might probably align with the Serbian List. In that case (and taking to granted strengthening of Mandic's cause), no government could be made without SL - they would be something like the Liberals (although far from it ;) in the beginning of the 21st century.
Though unlike SNS, the two have a good history of cooperation with LSCG - I see no reason that if PzP, LP and SNP form a coalition they might join it as well (although with just guaranteed one seat, they gotta admit their weakness). --PaxEquilibrium 12:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Bob

What's wrong with the picture? Can you make a better one? If so, please do tell.

Well first off only one is semi-anonymous(filip), but how can you call Anto Gvozdenovic anonymous? He was a very important montenegrin in history and should always be remembered.

I agree that Njegos or King Nikola would be more appropriate, but that would give license to serbs to shut the whole thing down, and start saying njegos was serb not montenegrin, and King Nikola, although he never once said he was serb, they'd do the same thing

This picture right now is appropriate for ethnic montes because there is no conflict with the serbs over it, until you can get pass the above it will have to do. Critikal1 06:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

If I recall, a thing like that already happened - the Montenegrin image was deleted on the argument that it doesn't represent true Montenegrins (it had just two people, Petar I Petrovic-Njegos and Milo Djukanovic ;). --PaxEquilibrium 12:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I was just talking about it with someone. Ranko Krivokapic said that he accepts PzP's demand for immediate elections after the constitution's proclamation. Milo has himself criticized the event calling him to rethink. He used the word "treachery". ;))) Then again these're politics, who knows. --PaxEquilibrium 19:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Govt. of Montenegro Template

You sure saved me a lot of time trying to find the party each minister belongs to. I've been going nuts trying to find their parties but I could only find those that I had placed already. Thank you so much for your help! --CrnaGora 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Albania-veneta nonsense

Sorry, I just saw it for the first time (missed it during multiple-messages to me).

Since it's a new subject, you could've opened a new thread at the bottom - I would've most definitely noticed then. ;)

I'm on it. Frankly, the article's title needs to be changed, and about 90% of its content rewritten/deleted... that's why I'm outright thinking 'bout deleting the whole article, but I wanna keep up good faith and contact its author... --PaxEquilibrium 22:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, remember our (very old) news? See this. They already have an article in Wikipedia... --PaxEquilibrium 23:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
He's a bit uncivil for a university professor... geez.
I am moving it to Venetian Albania. --PaxEquilibrium 13:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes there is: WP:RFCU. However it is not for fishing, which means that we'll need a good reason before request it (like Dalmata editing while Brunodam is blocked, or vice versa). --PaxEquilibrium 14:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
.and... ...now we have one. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 18:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd reckon we do. 3RR violation evasion falls down under the E code letter.
However I'm afraid your report will be ignored and just archived - he did not violate 3RR. Read WP:3RR, it refers to reverting more than three times in a day. That's why I filed the RFCU, if Dalmata's him - he did. --PaxEquilibrium 19:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
..and... now he did. ;0) --PaxEquilibrium 19:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Because three reverts is the limit for reverting within 24h. --PaxEquilibrium 19:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Dalmata is a confirmed sockpuppet of Brunodam. --PaxEquilibrium 21:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sideshow Bob, I think you're having the same/similar problem as I do. I had problems with ...persons... ("likovi") who italianize Croatian toponyms, as well as Croat personalities (mostly from Littoral area).
I see you have problems with Brunodam, though, I haven't looked deeper, and saw his "dictionary". I had similar problems with user Giovanni Giove. They both use similar language, phrases. And as I see, they have same behaviour (sockpuppets?), at least by criticizing and throwing mud (they use "heavy words"), without listening/reading what opposers have said, wrote, gave arguments. You should see problems I had on article Jakov Mikalja and Republic of Dubrovnik; I gave Giovanni Giove the links to scanned pages of historical documents, and, in return, after all that, Giovanni Giove, as well as Brunodam, call me as distributor of desinformations and as a nationalist [1]??? (besides some other users).
I write you this message, because I saw that message (see link above). Kubura 07:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule at Venetian Albania for a period of twenty-four hours. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. -- tariqabjotu 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
What? But he did not violate 3RR. --PaxEquilibrium 21:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
checkY

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Yes you're right... so sorry about that. I mistakenly thought some of the edits that occurred two days ago actually occurred yesterday. I was not expecting the disruption involving Brunodam to go on hiatus for a day, and there were very few edits to the article yesterday (my time zone). Again, sorry about that.

Request handled by: -- tariqabjotu 21:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


Pitanje

Izvini,da ne znas mozda ko je napisao ovu strofu:

Онамо, 'намо... за брда она Милошев, кажу, пребива гроб! Онамо покој добићу души, кад Србин више не буде роб


I jel mozes da mi kazes kako su buducnost Kraljevine Jugoslavije videli Zelenasi sve do 1941. godine?


I ako mozes da mi kazes kako se izjasnjavao Sekula Drljevic kada se vratio iz emigracije? Kao Srbin ili kao crnogorac?


E i jos samo ovo: Da li je Kralj Nikola u svom proglasu iz emigracije 1920. godine sebe nazivao crnogorskim ili Svesrpskim carem?


Hvala ti mnogo,ja sam siguran da mozes da mi pomognes,ovo su neke osnovne stvari,ja da sam crnogorac bih znao odgovore,ali posto nisam voleo bih da mi ti pomognes. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTU 19:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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List of flags of Montenegro

Dear Sideshow Bob! Are there currently any specific Governmental flags or Military flags in Montenegro? --Camptown 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sideshow Bob! Are you sure that the State flag was undefaced - a tricolor with no arms or cypher? I added to the list an undefaced tricolor (flag of 1881), for this flag is only mentioned in the German Flag book as an "unofficial" merchant flag (civil ensign). The book doesn't mention the use of traditional "state flags" along with the royal flags during the time of the Kindom of Montenegro, and the "long" tricolor (ratio 1:3) is clained to be an invention of a later date, which is actually strange as the light "bluish" color in that flag is claimed to be a "traditional" color in Montenegro... Was the 3:1 flag ratio established in recent years in order to distinguish the Montenegrin flag from the Serbian tricolor? --Camptown 21:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
You're right. I mixed up. It's the DPS party coat-of-arms. --PaxEquilibrium 11:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Milo Djukanovic

Milo kaput!!! ;) --PaxEquilibrium 00:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you hear what Stanko Subotić Cane said? He said that the whole farce is a global anti-Montenegrin conspiracy launched by Nebojsa Medojevic. And the DPS officials supported him. ;))) --PaxEquilibrium 19:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Welcome Back

I never left, mate. I just stopped editing. And indeed, Pax was useful. He got blocked a few days after I left for Montenegro, some coincidence. I'm glad you're back, though. Actually, I'm overjoyed, finally an old friend :). BTW, I've created the Who See? article before but they deleted it, so don't be surprised if your version is deleted :(.

BTW, I've always wanted to know whether you were affiliated with Rotacija.net. And do you by any chance know who that "Prevalis" character is here on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Црна Гора (talk • contribs) 02:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Montenegrin.

Sideshow Bob, Montenegrin is not ISO-recognized language, so Wikipedia agreed in the consensus that until that occur, Serbian remain, as Montenegrin language is officially regarded as Serbian language version. Tadija (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually, i agree with you, as Montenegrin is official, it should be placed, but it is official only in Montenegro. So, here on English wiki, it shouldn't be placed. That is the reason why there is no Montenegrin Wiki! Language is still not official, so your edits will be reverted. I just wanted to inform you, as lot of Montenegrin editors were banned for this. Hope you understand, all best, Tadija (talk) 14:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Please, assume good faith. It is not POV pushing, no matter on current status, then that was Serbian nobility. He is member of the House of Vojislavljević! But you are very welcome to add Montenegrin nobility. That is NPOV. As i told you, language must be ISO-recognized, to fulfill Wikipedia criteria, not mine. If i can help you any kind, i am here! :) All best, --Tadija (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

January 2010

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Oh come on, only if removing your nationalist POV from articles is vandalism, you can consider me a vandal. Please come back when you have something constructive to say. Until then, you go play in the sandbox. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 14:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Something constructive to say

Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rave92. Toddst1 (talk) 23:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Skadar

You were involved earlier in article expansion, think that you will have something to say about. Lake Scutari

Be good. --Tadija (talk) 23:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

MNE Wiki Project

Hey, shouldn't we remove people that don't participate on Wiki from Montenegro Wiki project, and update the project page a bit? Rave92(talk) 00:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Please, contribute the discussion:

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Geopolitical_ethnic_and_religious_conflicts#Montenegrin_language

Rave92(talk) 13:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

У вези превлаке...

Хеј здраво...зар морамо да причамо на еглеском?:)

Мислим да је мало неосновано да мењаш чланке по својим политичким убеђењима...Википедија се не заснива на истини, већ на могућношћу доказивања исте.. видим да си изменио "The peninsula, like the other parts of the Republic of Ragusa, became part of the republic of Croatia a few decades after World War II, when Yugoslavia's internal divisions were redefined, noteably SR Croatia was given Prevlaka, what was until then part of SR Montenegro, witch was, at the time considered by most Montenegrins an undisputed territory of Serbs since Montegrins were de facto Serbs in Montenegro" бришући последњи део о српском пореклу Црногораца као нације. Разумем да се то коси са твојим уверењима и да то није оно што део око половина Срба у Црној Гори мисли, али на Википедији, то мора да се подржи доказима. Чињенично стање је да су Црногорци као народ први пут установљени за време Тита, који је користио технику "завади па владај". То није јер су били тлачени од стране краља, јер су имали и свог краља за време кога питање српства у црној гори није било питање. Да се разумемо, жао ми је што је ЦГ изабрала да се одвоји, слажем се да је тип заједнице био паракомунистички опиљак који је био нефункционалан, али верујем у референдуме демократију итд. Оно што ми је страшно је што сте постали Црногорци по народности. Не рачунам наметнуту комунистичку причу, ово јесте продужетак тога, али сте ви причали српски и под Титом. То су све чињенице које се могу поткрепити доказима, као и чињеница да је 99% Срба у Црној гори (тј Црногораца) постало Црногорци (по нацији) преко ноћи, на првом попису у ФНРЈ. То су све чињенице, па тако и да је превлака припала СР Хрватској као територија критична за сферу српства, без обзира на остале твари. Шта год причали на овим просторима постоје Словенци, Хрвати, Срби и Македонци. Чак су и Срби и Хрвати дискутабилних разлика. Да ли су Македонци посрбљени Бугари или побугарени Срби није ни битно

Опрости што сам се расписао, нисам хтео да ти одузмем толико времена. Све у свему, мислим да је неозбиљно да поричеш чињенице, на Википедији ако то већ чиниш у правом животу.

И да, знам Црну Гору, тамо сам провео петину живота, знам како сте причали пре и после најаве и проглашења независности.

Поздрав. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelja87 (talk • contribs) 12:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Е, извини, нов сам у дискусијама на Викију, па не знам да ли је ово "на твојој страници"...Надам се да сам погодио.

Да јесу, али проблем превлаке је настао променом граница СР Х на рачун СР ЦГ, а то се није догодило деведесетих. Тада се само показао као очигледан проблем, сецесијом Хрватске. На неки начин си у праву да је био став партије власти, али тај став није могао да се не темељи на националној припадности у то време, дакле био је темељен искључиво на томе. Таква је била "мода". И помешао си мало чини ми се, или те нисам разумео, али Превлака је претња ЦГ а не Хрватској. Чак и када би била у, легитимном, поседу ЦГ, Превлака није претња Хрватској, већ обратно ЦГ ако припада Хрватској. Зашто ти мислиш да је припојена Хрватској, ако не јер је део "српске територије" (не волим тако да се изражавам јер има призвук централе у Београду, што никако не мора да буде случај, нити је био); иако се од '48 сви Срби у Црној Гори изјашњавају као Црногорци по националности? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelja87 (talk • contribs) 11:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

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I'll be happy to help. I confess that my overall knowledge is not outstanding and most of my edits have been along the lines of clean-ups and minor edits for subjects such as historical accuracy (or making sure that names are presented appropriately). Evlekis (talk) 12:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

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You obsessively promoting your history-altering nationalist POV is what's not OK. Vojislavljević dynasty ruled Duklja, not Serbia/Raška, and one alleged title does not make them into Serbian dynasty. Mihailo was titled king of Slavs, so you don't see Poles or Czechs trying to make him their own, nor do Greeks claim that Nemanjićs are Greek because Dušan claimed himself to be Emperor of Serbs and Greeks. Duklja is a predecessor state of Montenegro, hence Vojislavljević dynasty is Montenegrin dynasty, regardless of titular semantics. They never rules Serbian medieval country, the end of story. As for Balšićs, you have the point, these are royal and not ruler houses, so I shall exclude them. Also, you should see a thing or two about WP:Ownership Sideshow Bob 12:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

"History-altering nationalist POV"? Your whole comment is POV. Montenegrin pseudo-history should not be implemented on Wikipedia. Obviously you do not (want to) know the history of the Vojislavljević.--Zoupan 12:48, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Please reply at Template_talk:Royal_houses_of_Europe#Vojislavljevi.C4.87_dynasty.--Zoupan 13:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

That's plain and simple Anti-Serbian. 1) it does not. 2) Serb has everything to do with Vojislavljević. 3) Insulting lies. They are indeed part of Montenegrin history, but to state that they were Montenegrins is crazy. You are already standing for the wishful thinking, to erase the obvious and undisputed Serb heritage that Montenegro has. --Zoupan 20:31, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Sure, I'm the one posting nationalist POV bullshit. Get a life, read some books, leave your personal frustrations aside when editing articles. And please stop stalking and messaging me, you are not my type. Sideshow Bob 11:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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You are the one denouncing me for being anti-something. If anything, you are Serb nationalist and historical revisionist, and I would know since I have seen quite of few similar propagandists in 9 years I've been here. I could list a host of articles edited and guarded by you which have no validation whatsoever besides the para-historical literature of like-minded bigots. Stop acting like you own encyclopedic articles and respond with counter-arguments rather to undoing constructive edits and hiding behind accusations. I have no problems with Serbs or Serbia, but you rather have a problem with reality. So try substantiating your ludicrous claims sometimes rather than trying to look like a victim and following my edits so you can start edit wars. I couldn't care less about you and this is nothing personal, so stop making it so. Please leave me alone or you will be reported. Sideshow Bob 12:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
You indeed are a true poet, using words like "para-historical", "bigots", "counter-arguments", "reality", "ludicrous claims". I have not seen one plausible argument from you yet, because you have none. I have always answered you. Don't tell me that Jovan Vladimir and Stefan Vojislav were ethnic Montenegrins. This is ludicrous claims, you para-historical bigot, you (yes, I am returning your words). You have obviously taken it personal – continuing using uncivil language. Please take it easy; I have warned you in good faith.--Zoupan 15:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Calling them Montenegrins can be debated about, but you insist on 'Serbifying' everything and everyone, which is a distinct trait of the sort of editor you are. I attempted removing ethnicity from the articles, just putting "ruler of Duklja" or "Southern Slav" since these cannot be historically disputed, but you insist on them being Serbs, which has no real historical data behind it, barring SANU "historians" and their propagandist works (there are exceptions, of course). So, please do not call me out or being propagandist, as I am only countering Serb nationalism as a historical POV, without having an agenda of my own. I do not spend much time here nowadays, but I can assure you that my future edits will be backed by historical sources, so there can be no further foolish accusations of vandalism and such. Have a good day and chill out, it's only wiki. Sideshow Bob 08:03, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

These were early Serbs, and calling them "ethnic Montenegrins" is terribly wrong. I don't understand why you keep on claiming "propaganda" when this is undisputed in academics. The Doclean Academy of Sciences and Arts (DANU) are the "historians" who are the propagandists of a separate history of Montenegro, denouncing the historical identity. This is your agenda. How could you possibly back your POV with historical sources when Skylitzes, Zonaras, Cedrenus, Glykas, Kekaumenos, Anna Komnene, all call Duklja and its people Serbs? Have a really good day, and yes, I'm just chilling.--Zoupan 09:26, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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Warning for removal of sourced content

I restored it but next time I see you removing sourced content without discussion and hidden within a different edit, you will be reported. FkpCascais (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

You can find sources for anything if you are malicious enough, it does not mean it is the truth or NPOV. So please stop annoying me and acting as a police officer, because I do not really care for your warnings, so go cry somewhere else. Sideshow Bob 07:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: Good catch. @Sideshow Bob: You really need to stop this behaviour.--Zoupan 08:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure. And you two could go on and re-read WP:OWN. I really don't understand this stalking of yours, but it's getting boring. Sideshow Bob 09:04, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

The thing is that in your edit you made two things: the infobox, cool, great, thanks; but beside the infobox you went to the article lede and you removed sourced content. Can I ask you why did you did that? FkpCascais (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Because it represents a POV frequently being posted on similar wiki articles. Just because there is a book somewhere with something written in it, it does not mean that it contains the sole truth. The issue with this and similar occurrences is that certain editors pick sources very selectively and interpret them quite subjectively in order to support their political views and push their agendas. Sideshow Bob 14:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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OK, got it, thanks. Sideshow Bob 07:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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Parliament of Montenegro

DPS has got 30 MPs. At the official party's website, there are 30 MPs in total: http://www.dps.me/klub-poslanika-25-saziv

Check any news; DPS has got 30 MPs.

The two MPs "missing" are - 1 from PZP (it has got 5 instead of 4 - Medojevic, Bosnjak, Pavlovic, Radulovic and Vasiljevic) and the other is from URA. URA currently has got 2 MPs - Bojanic and Abazovic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.246.195 (talk) 13:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Also the Independent club has got a total of 12 MPs.

  • 2 URA (Bojanic and Abazovic)
  • 1 that Pljevlja dude (Stanic)
  • 3 Democratic Montenegro (Gosovic, Kaludjerovic, Gojkovic)
  • 4 DEMOS (Lekic, Asanovic, Miljanic, Danilovic)
  • 2 SD (Orlandic and Sehovic). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.246.195 (talk) 13:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, let's go and sort it out then. Sideshow Bob 13:59, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

You're right, Bojanic could not have agreed with them. Bojanic founded the "Civic Movement" for Euro-Atlantic integration, however in its transformation into URA he was apparently left out and had simply remained independent.

Also, the parliament has got a total of 80 MPs and one vacant seat, since SDP CG did not allow Mubera Kurpejovic to become an MP (due to the fact she's SD). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.246.195 (talk) 15:25, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Subotica answer

Your grammar lesson is what you had to learn, since then you would not make the edit that you made, where it is OBVIOUS what means contemporary, next to the CURRENT official name :) The rest is a useless trash talk. If you do not answer anymore, I do not intend to continue this discussion. So long!(KIENGIR (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC))

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Montenegrin Cyrillic

You accuse me of "not knowing" while I could accuse you of bias. You know very well the fragilities of Montenegrin language, specially the "own" alphabet. It is only recognised by current Montenegrin governament, not even by the opposition, and it is not standardised as language while the Montenegrin Cyrillic alphabet not even used, it is just a proposal. Second aspect, you know very well the large parts of Montenegro where Serbian language is still in majority, you should not remove Serbian language from those districts, just as we have Montenegrin language in lede for the few municipalities Montenegrin is also official in Serbia. I will not remove your Montenegrin language aditions at leade as long as you restore Serbian along it in the municipalities Serbs are majority and Serbian language is still vastly used instead of "Montenegrin". I think that would be a fair stand-by point by now until some discussion occurs and consensus is reached. I will open a discussion about it when I have time and I will certainly let you know so you can express your view. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 06:50, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

You can see the part of Montenegro using Serbian at Demographics of Montenegro. FkpCascais (talk) 06:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Article 13 of the Constitution of Montenegro: "Official language in Montenegro is Montenegrin. Latin and Cyrillic script are equal..." I don't want to go into a linguistic debate here, since we both know that Montenegrin, Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian are merely the variations of the same language (once called Serbo-Croatian). I think the Constitution is a pretty solid source for the language used in lede in all Montenegro-related articles. No one is denying the existence of people in Montenegro who identify the same language as Serbian, but the official use is something entirely different. Sideshow Bob 07:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

P.S. The Demographics of Montenegro article is outdated, data from 2003 should be replaced by the 2011 census data. Sideshow Bob 07:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, so add Montenegrin everywhere and add as well Serbian in the areas Serbian is official language. Why is so hard? FkpCascais (talk) 07:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
It's not hard, but it is pointless. You seem not to realize that there are no areas where Serbian is official. The same Article 13 states that Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian are in official use, but does not specify it in more detail. Only Albanian is used simultaneously with Montenegrin in some municipalities because it's an entirely different language, others are not used officially at all. Sideshow Bob 07:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
So we cant agree on this by now? -_- FkpCascais (talk) 08:07, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
If you say it is pointless, I could argue it is pointless for you as well to remove Serbian and add Montenegrin. But that is what you are doing, so after all it is noot so pointless after all isnt it? You can continue removing all mentions of Serbian and leave just Montenegrin everywhere, but you know it will not fly. You have vast areas of Montenegro where Serbian is spoken in majority and where Serbs are majority over Montenegrins. You can claim the maps are old, but the current situation is pretty simimar certainly. A village more village less? Instead of making tons of edits then tons of reverts, discussions, why dont we find a solution acceptable and move on to other issues? I could claim using Serbian for all areas shown to speak majoritarly Serbian in Montenegro (basically all of Montenegro except a minof central part) but I would feel fine if we could agree to add Serbian along Montenegrin in the parts Serbs are ethnically majority (a bit minor area than the Serbian linguistic one). You will have Montenegrin everywhere anyway, just leave Serbian in parts Serbs are majority and linguistical map confirms Serbian is majoritarly spoken there. Sounds fair? FkpCascais (talk) 08:24, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I am merely going by the official sources, and you might agree that the Constitution is quite a credible source for such a thing. I do not know the official wiki policy regarding the languages used in lede, but I'm quite certain that the designation of the country's official language fits in well there, rather than our eternal historical disagreements. Also, how do we define Serbian majority? You reverted my removal of the category of Bijelo Polje as a "Serb community", while Serbs make up 30% of the population. Does it imply relative, or absolute majority? I am not against compromise here, really, and you can go on and add Serbian if you think it's an adequate thing to do, but I think it's pointless because 1) it's the same f***ing language; 2) Montenegrin is declared as official nationwide; 3) there is no local linguistic autonomy for Serbian like for Albanian, mostly because of reason no.1. Cheers! Sideshow Bob 08:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

If it is the same f* language why are you bothering then to replace Serbian by Montenegrin? We know why. And it is the same language, so just add (Montenegrin and Serbian: xxxxx) and its done. And add Serbian to the places in the map where you clearly see Serbian majority and Serbian use, here: Demographics of Montenegro. You know well which are, stop complicating things. FkpCascais (talk) 09:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Because that is the official name of the language in this country. There is no basis for Serbian, as there is no official use of it in those municipalities. The language is called Montenegrin nationwide. It doesn't get any simpler. Sideshow Bob 10:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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