User talk:Showcarcollector

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Re: Mercedes-Benz C215

Hello and thank you for your message... but "yikes", I personally know nothing about the topic at hand. As a fellow Wikipedian, I might suggest for you to just be WP:BOLD and try digging into the article to edit the imperfections yourself. It is very important however, to always include reliable sources for any information you change. I would also suggest that you start a discussion thread on the article's talk page to voice your concerns and get user feedback on your proposed changes. A new discussion thread on that talk page is likely to attract the attention of those who regularly watch and edit the article... and who already have prior knowledge of the topic. I'm sorry I haven't really addressed your original questions or concerns, but hope at least, that I'm pointing you in the right direction. Good luck, and happy editing! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 03:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

By saying "headings", do you mean the actual page name? The heading text at page-top would change automatically if I moved/renamed the article. I could do this easily enough, or even create redirects so all three names target the same article, but I'm hesitant to do this as it's just the type of thing that could make the other editors very angry with me if there was no previous talk-page consensus to do so. I see that the article used to be called "Mercedes-Benz W215", but was moved to its current name-space on September 15, 2010‎. It's unclear to me why it was moved to begin with, or why it's taken this long to be contested. Is it possible that it may be known by different names in different countries? In an effort to play safe, I'd recommend either establishing consensus on the article's talk page as mentioned above, or submitting an official move-request at WP:RM. Such a request would most likely require you to include a reference link for verification of the desired new article name. A link to a page on the official Mercedes site would probably be most efficient in this particular case, but as a rule, when editing articles, the preference is to use reliable third party references while avoiding those to official sources. This rule sometimes seems a bit odd to new users, but the reasons are all clearly explained at WP:PRIMARY... a worthwhile read that could save you a lot of frustration in the long run if you plan to edit Wikipedia regularly.  -- WikHead (talk) 09:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I have moved this discussion thread to "Talk:Mercedes-Benz C215#Article name - user feedback requested", any further comments or follow-up should be found or posted there.

• On another note however, concerning references in general - Wikipedia policy in most cases requires us to make use of third-party sources to reference the content we write. WP:PRIMARY sources are often entirely disregarded. The reason for this, is that any company, service, group, or person can easily make whatever claims they please about themselves in their own publications... but it doesn't necessarily mean that their claims are accurate. A good example of this would be the false or deceiving claims we often see in product advertisements. Likewise, a person could easily create a website claiming they are a famous guitarist with multiple gold records, who regularly performs for the Queen of England, when in fact they don't even own a guitar. Wikipedia content referenced to primary sources as such, is usually challenged and quickly removed. On the other hand, if these claims can be verified by third-party articles in the New York Times or Rolling Stones magazine, they are then good enough for Wikipedia. In the case of Mercedes, it's highly unlikely that their website would lie about the name of one of their products, but other claims and content within the article still require verification through secondary sources (such as auto-review and performance magazines). This helps keep the content neutral, and the reader from unknowingly being drawn into the concepts of a sales pitch. I feel this is worth explaining to you, as it's something that can help make your future contributions to the project much more productive. :)  -- WikHead (talk) 21:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll reply anyway, because I want you to know that I don't doubt anything you are telling me. My hesitation is a result of not wanting to be responsible for a careless page move, because I feel there may be some unknown underlying factor or previous consensus to have things the way they currently are. I'll return to the article in a few days time, and if I see no objections on the article's talk page, I will rename the page and adjust the redirects for you, without further hesitation. You've got my word on that. :)  -- WikHead (talk) 22:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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