User talk:ShmuckatellieJoe
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Acdixon (talk · contribs) 19:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
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- Thank you Rosie but I think I'm just gonna keep to myself for a while. I've been reading some pretty outrageous discussions on the various project pages and I think I need to just keep my head down and stay out of the line of fire. Every ware I go it seems like fire and brimstone. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 06:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- No worries, Joe. (Hope it's ok to call you that.) Just know I'm available for you if you have a question; and ditto for the Teahouse hosts. For as many fire and brimstone folks, there are twice as many nice ones. I hope you get a sense of who they are, too. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 02:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you I'll keep that in mind. I am sure I will have plenty of questions as I go along depending on how long it takes to run into one of the less than friendly editors I have been reading about. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yup! I'm just here to say hi and second Rosiestep's comment - the Teahouse is a safe place to share inquiries, concerns and questions. We're here to help...and give you a nice cup of warm Wiki-tea! See you there sometime, I hope. Sarah (talk) 21:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you I'll keep that in mind. I am sure I will have plenty of questions as I go along depending on how long it takes to run into one of the less than friendly editors I have been reading about. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- No worries, Joe. (Hope it's ok to call you that.) Just know I'm available for you if you have a question; and ditto for the Teahouse hosts. For as many fire and brimstone folks, there are twice as many nice ones. I hope you get a sense of who they are, too. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 02:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Help
[edit]Yes, it can get ugly around here. Keep you head down for the first few months is a good idea as it will help you get the lay of the land. It also helps to stay away from controversial subjects. For the most part, it is a good place with alot of helpful and great people. If you need any help, don't hesitate to give me a buzz on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 06:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- I just did a lengthy reply on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 00:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
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Etiquette
[edit]I've got no problem with editors doing a clean start with a new account, but it does seem a little mean to take up the time of helpful editors like Acdixon by pretending to be someone who doesn't know how to do things. 28bytes (talk) 16:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Noted. So is it normally acceptable to accuse a new editor of being someone they are not? Frankly, if this is normally how new users are treated I am surprised that Wikipedia has lasted as long as it has. If you feel I have done something wrong or if you think I am Kumioko socking then feel free to ban me and prevent me from contributing. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, you and I both know what's going on, let's not be silly. If I'd wanted to toss out a socking block I'd have done so. But personally I'd rather let productive editors edit. All I'm asking is that you not waste other editors' time by asking them questions you already know the answer to. Fair enough? 28bytes (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- What is it with this place? I'm sure your used to editors who want to stay, beg for their accounts to be left alone. I'm not that vested! I've only been here for a couple weeks. I am perfectly happy to let this go and continue editing but I'm not going to fight for it. If Wikipedia wants me to continue contributing great, I will be happy too, if not then I can sit and watch a football game, play Xbox or any number of other things. Think what you want but I'm not that editor and I suspect if you could actually prove it you would have blocked me already. I'm really not mad about this, I'm just somewhat surprised and disappointed that we are wasting so much hard drive space in discussions like this instead of editing and building an encyclopedia. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kumioko, all I asked you to do was to clean-start responsibly, i.e. by not wasting other editors' time with "newbie" questions. Since you're not willing to agree to that, and since you're simultaneously continuing on to fight as Kumioko under the 71.* IP address, I've blocked you for a week. Please, please, please take this week to read and understand the policies on multiple accounts. I'm also going to post a thread to AN/I about this. 28bytes (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- No problem. Totally fine since I am not that user but I see how things are handled now here so its all good. Kumioko already stated they were the 71 IP and I stated I used teh 138. If you want to block me though the message is clear to me and understood. I won't be editing anymore. Just for FYI, I noticed dashboat had a problem with some pages and I was about to drop that bots operator a message and let him know. You can mark me down on the inactive editors list. BTW, I think the system is poorly designed that you can open a discussion at ANI and then block the user(s) from being able to comment there. Thats like taking someone to court and then telling them that they are not allowed to speak or present any evidence on their behalf. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- I really wish you wouldn't insult my intelligence. Seriously. 28bytes (talk) 19:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- If you like I will unblock you for the sole purpose of commenting in the AN/I discussion. 28bytes (talk) 19:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- No worries you all go on and have your chat. Like I said I don't really care because your not hurting me. Just a suggestion, you might also want to block Kumi-taskbot. It also might interest you to know that IP 138 is a proxy for about half the US navy so blocking it prevents about 200, 000 people from editing. One final note, I think you need to ask a checkuser to validate my user name. It might be interesting to see if that comes back as a match and that might give your case some credibility rather than just heresay and speculation! ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 19:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Certainly no need now, it looks like everyone already passed judgement. I can see why Kumioko got so pissed off. All those years of work and loyalty to the project and now all it takes is one editor to say that I am associated to them and the lynch mob gathers fer da hangin'. You all are ridiculous and should be ashamed of yourselves. Why on Earth would anyone want to participate in this Soap opera? I recommend you go ahead and block this account indefinately and I also think you should do a SPI. Definately need to do an SPI, might be a whole bunch more users "posing" as Kumioko. Hundreds or thousands of them I'll bet. I'm sure while he was racking up that massive edit count and doing all that work around the project he was actually posing as multiple users. Maybe even you, how do we know your not Kumioko? Maybe I'm really Jimbo posing to see how you would react, Maybe Jimbo is Kumioko and has been posing as an editor all along. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- As far as I know, neither Jimbo nor I have signed a post as "formerly Kumioko". 28bytes (talk) 20:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Certainly no need now, it looks like everyone already passed judgement. I can see why Kumioko got so pissed off. All those years of work and loyalty to the project and now all it takes is one editor to say that I am associated to them and the lynch mob gathers fer da hangin'. You all are ridiculous and should be ashamed of yourselves. Why on Earth would anyone want to participate in this Soap opera? I recommend you go ahead and block this account indefinately and I also think you should do a SPI. Definately need to do an SPI, might be a whole bunch more users "posing" as Kumioko. Hundreds or thousands of them I'll bet. I'm sure while he was racking up that massive edit count and doing all that work around the project he was actually posing as multiple users. Maybe even you, how do we know your not Kumioko? Maybe I'm really Jimbo posing to see how you would react, Maybe Jimbo is Kumioko and has been posing as an editor all along. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- No worries you all go on and have your chat. Like I said I don't really care because your not hurting me. Just a suggestion, you might also want to block Kumi-taskbot. It also might interest you to know that IP 138 is a proxy for about half the US navy so blocking it prevents about 200, 000 people from editing. One final note, I think you need to ask a checkuser to validate my user name. It might be interesting to see if that comes back as a match and that might give your case some credibility rather than just heresay and speculation! ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 19:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- If you like I will unblock you for the sole purpose of commenting in the AN/I discussion. 28bytes (talk) 19:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- I really wish you wouldn't insult my intelligence. Seriously. 28bytes (talk) 19:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- No problem. Totally fine since I am not that user but I see how things are handled now here so its all good. Kumioko already stated they were the 71 IP and I stated I used teh 138. If you want to block me though the message is clear to me and understood. I won't be editing anymore. Just for FYI, I noticed dashboat had a problem with some pages and I was about to drop that bots operator a message and let him know. You can mark me down on the inactive editors list. BTW, I think the system is poorly designed that you can open a discussion at ANI and then block the user(s) from being able to comment there. Thats like taking someone to court and then telling them that they are not allowed to speak or present any evidence on their behalf. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 19:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kumioko, all I asked you to do was to clean-start responsibly, i.e. by not wasting other editors' time with "newbie" questions. Since you're not willing to agree to that, and since you're simultaneously continuing on to fight as Kumioko under the 71.* IP address, I've blocked you for a week. Please, please, please take this week to read and understand the policies on multiple accounts. I'm also going to post a thread to AN/I about this. 28bytes (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- What is it with this place? I'm sure your used to editors who want to stay, beg for their accounts to be left alone. I'm not that vested! I've only been here for a couple weeks. I am perfectly happy to let this go and continue editing but I'm not going to fight for it. If Wikipedia wants me to continue contributing great, I will be happy too, if not then I can sit and watch a football game, play Xbox or any number of other things. Think what you want but I'm not that editor and I suspect if you could actually prove it you would have blocked me already. I'm really not mad about this, I'm just somewhat surprised and disappointed that we are wasting so much hard drive space in discussions like this instead of editing and building an encyclopedia. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, you and I both know what's going on, let's not be silly. If I'd wanted to toss out a socking block I'd have done so. But personally I'd rather let productive editors edit. All I'm asking is that you not waste other editors' time by asking them questions you already know the answer to. Fair enough? 28bytes (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Contest block
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ShmuckatellieJoe (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I wasn't going to contest this but its so absurd that I find that I simply can't allow this farse to continue. For that many editors to turn on so quickly with nothing but a notion that they are a sock of a long time editor, one of their own. Its utterly discraceful. I also request an SPI investigation. If you think I am Kumioko I want to see something more tangible than a malformed edit history that was reverted as Vandalism, reverted by an IP and then reverted again by FRAM. Certainly you can provide some better evidence to support your conclusion than that! And this lousy Wiki software doesn't even allow an editor to make a comment. Completely stupid. Someone should fix the software so the accused can at least comment on their behalf in a discussion like this. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 20:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
See below. Floquenbeam (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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- Checkusers do not do "prove my innocence" checks. They're notoriously easy to manipulate if you know one is coming. —Jeremy v^_^v Bori! 21:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kumioko, please, please stop this. This is going to be hard to argue away. That mistake is a good thing, actually, as it demonstrates that you find being sneaky rather difficult; there are many people who can fake it better than you, and as a rule they're all unwelcome because the kind of people who find it easy are the kind of people who cause all kinds of trouble. As it stands, you're not banned, you're just blocked for a week. If you want to go, then that's a shame, but it's your call. If you want to stay, then please stop playing games, wait a week, and don't keep picking at scabs. I've considered this carefully ("power-hungry admin censors helpless editor"), but I think it best for all involved to lock this talk page for the duration of the block, and I've done so. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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