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July 2018
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Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Wallasey, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Nationality
[edit]Please don't advise me about your "better understanding" of the British nationality issue. The consensus here - over many many years, in many many articles - is that British people are described as British (their legal nationality) unless they have explicitly stated that they identify as English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, or something else. That is particularly important when people are born in one of those countries but raised or later lived in another. Legally, of course, there is no such thing as "English nationality", etc. I suggest you take care over your edits - they are very close to being disruptive. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- I am only acting in accordance with the norm guidelines. Your argument is that Landsborough isn't English simply because he was born in Wales, he was born to an English family that were only in Wales due to his parents escaping the raids and he grew up in England and he as a musician originated in England, if he was born in England we would not have this dispute, which is why I repeat; Birthplace doesn't indicate nationality. In reference to your first point about British people being described as "British" is true, however the part about specifically stating their specifics outside of "British" is false, 90% of British people have their specific nationality/ethnic identity (e.g: "The Beatles were an English rock band", "Stephen Hawking was an English theoretical physicist", "Emma Watson is an English actress" (despite Watson being born in France) etc.).
- I'm afraid that you are not acting in accordance with "the norm guidelines". Landsborough is British. That is unarguably true - it is his legal nationality. The question of whether, instead, he should be described as "Welsh", "English", or anything else only becomes relevant if he describes himself as one or the other. It is not up to us as editors to decide his nationality, on the basis of our own thoughts as to why he was born where he was. What is most important in this case is that any change to the existing description of his nationality should be done on the basis of reliable sources, and explained as such on the article talk page (or at least in an edit summary). Where is your evidence that he considers himself to be English rather than British? But... any further discussion of Landsborough, specifically, should be on the article talk page not here Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Again if he was born in England, he would be considered English by Wikipedia, no question but because he was born in Wales you aren't considering him English. There is evidence that he is English, the fact his article explains that; "Soon after he was born, his mother (Aggie) moved the family back to Birkenhead", keyword "back" to Birkenhead which is in England, the place where his parents are from (hence the "back") and where he himself is from as he originated in England ("Origin: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England"). Look back to my prior examples of The Beatles and such, none of them ever came out and said "I identify as English", they are English because that's where they come from and it's blatant from their accents, time spent there (growing up with English culture in England) and even information like what was given to us in Landsborough's article (about his parents), it has nothing to do with birth.
- "...if he was born in England, he would be considered English by Wikipedia, no question..." I look forward to seeing your attempts to edit the articles on David Lloyd George and Saunders Lewis, to give just two examples. The point about Landsborough is that, though he is undoubtedly British, it is debatable whether he should be described here as either English or Welsh, and if it is debatable - a matter of opinion, in other words - as well as unnecessary, it should not be included. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Why would I edit these two pages? Their nationalities make perfect sense, like all British politicians David Lloyd George is considered British because if it said English he would only represent England (similar to how Nicola Sturgeon is considered Scottish not British because of her Scottish nationalist policies and the fact she only represents Scotland in the SCOTTISH parliament unlike George who is represented in the BRITISH parliment) In fact Lewis' article just proves my point that nationality doesn't equate to birthplace and that he is Welsh because he is from a Welsh family and he has links to Wales and all of his works are Welsh, he isn't considered Welsh due to the fact he identifies as it, he is Welsh because he corresponds with Wales (as mentioned previously). I leave you with this question, since we already know birth doesn't determine nationality, what factor would lead someone to believe Landsborough is Welsh? If you have no answers then I think you can understand my point about how he infact English, not Welsh, nothing controversial about that at all.
- I'm not suggesting he should be described as Welsh. Please remember to sign your posts using four of these: ~ Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Why would I edit these two pages? Their nationalities make perfect sense, like all British politicians David Lloyd George is considered British because if it said English he would only represent England (similar to how Nicola Sturgeon is considered Scottish not British because of her Scottish nationalist policies and the fact she only represents Scotland in the SCOTTISH parliament unlike George who is represented in the BRITISH parliment) In fact Lewis' article just proves my point that nationality doesn't equate to birthplace and that he is Welsh because he is from a Welsh family and he has links to Wales and all of his works are Welsh, he isn't considered Welsh due to the fact he identifies as it, he is Welsh because he corresponds with Wales (as mentioned previously). I leave you with this question, since we already know birth doesn't determine nationality, what factor would lead someone to believe Landsborough is Welsh? If you have no answers then I think you can understand my point about how he infact English, not Welsh, nothing controversial about that at all.
- "...if he was born in England, he would be considered English by Wikipedia, no question..." I look forward to seeing your attempts to edit the articles on David Lloyd George and Saunders Lewis, to give just two examples. The point about Landsborough is that, though he is undoubtedly British, it is debatable whether he should be described here as either English or Welsh, and if it is debatable - a matter of opinion, in other words - as well as unnecessary, it should not be included. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Again if he was born in England, he would be considered English by Wikipedia, no question but because he was born in Wales you aren't considering him English. There is evidence that he is English, the fact his article explains that; "Soon after he was born, his mother (Aggie) moved the family back to Birkenhead", keyword "back" to Birkenhead which is in England, the place where his parents are from (hence the "back") and where he himself is from as he originated in England ("Origin: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England"). Look back to my prior examples of The Beatles and such, none of them ever came out and said "I identify as English", they are English because that's where they come from and it's blatant from their accents, time spent there (growing up with English culture in England) and even information like what was given to us in Landsborough's article (about his parents), it has nothing to do with birth.
- I'm afraid that you are not acting in accordance with "the norm guidelines". Landsborough is British. That is unarguably true - it is his legal nationality. The question of whether, instead, he should be described as "Welsh", "English", or anything else only becomes relevant if he describes himself as one or the other. It is not up to us as editors to decide his nationality, on the basis of our own thoughts as to why he was born where he was. What is most important in this case is that any change to the existing description of his nationality should be done on the basis of reliable sources, and explained as such on the article talk page (or at least in an edit summary). Where is your evidence that he considers himself to be English rather than British? But... any further discussion of Landsborough, specifically, should be on the article talk page not here Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
August 2018
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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Sasha (DJ), you may be blocked from editing. General Ization Talk 13:21, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Sasha (DJ). General Ization Talk 15:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)