User talk:SantiagoVeláquez

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Welcome to Wikipedia. I have reverted a few of your changes. Please check out the Wikipedia policy pages on how to refer to and link locations. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use modern names. Andrevan@ 01:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Place of birth of Albizu Campos

Reverting the changes I made presents a false historical narrative. 2602:30A:2C2A:1A60:C497:74B9:88D9:D854 (talk) 18:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Reverting the changes does not reflect historical fact but presents false historical narrative . How can the records be corrected ? SantiagoVeláquez (talk) 20:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

It's not standard Wikipedia policy to refer to Puerto Rico as "Kingdom of Spain" even if Puerto Rico was Spain, not USA in 1891. Andrevan@ 02:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Andrevan: Perhaps this merits greater coverage. Can you point us to where you read such Wikipedia "policy" stating that people born in Puerto Rico under Spanish rule should not be listed under the sovereignty of the Spanish country for their birthplace? I suspect both the anon IP user and SantiagoVeláquez, and certainly myself, could all benefit from it. Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 03:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

It's linked in the topic above. The location is still Ponce, Puerto Rico not Kingdom of Spain. Andrevan@ 04:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Where above? Mercy11 (talk) 15:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use modern names] Andrevan@ 19:17, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

How might I request that this policy be reviewed? So that it reflects an accurate historical record; the fact of the matter is Puerto Rico was a province of the Kingdom of Spain, which happens to be its “modern”name even here in Wikipedia. SantiagoVeláquez (talk) 15:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

No, because you were changing the "location" in an infobox. You can describe that PR was part of Spain (tho, is that really relevant?) but you still should link to the modern location name when referring to the place (which doesn't say USA or Spain, it says Ponce, Puerto Rico). Your edit removed the link. So, the policy won't be changed. You can start a discussion on the naming convention talk page or the village pump. Andrevan@ 18:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

“Is that really relevant?” To answer your question, yes, historical facts are relevant and clearly it’s seems relevant enough to you to omit this fact. If indeed it is not possible to present the truth using “modern names,” which are listed in Wikipedia there should be a disclaimer that your facts may not be accurate or true historically. As a Puerto Rican myself , I find your dismissive question extremely offensive and clearly showing a complete disregard for our history. SantiagoVeláquez (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I should like to add, I find it very interesting that you have George Washington place of birth listed as “British America.” SantiagoVeláquez (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Whoa there. First of all, I strenuously object to your tone or characterization that I am being dismissive. There's nothing offensive about what I'm saying. I fully support Puerto Rican expression and freedom. That is neither here nor there. Currently Albizu's place of birth, and the others you edited, are listed as "Ponce, Puerto Rico." You removed the wikilinks, and changed it to "Ponce, Kingdom of Spain." That is not according to Wiki policy. You should still call it "Ponce, Puerto Rico." It does not say "Ponce, USA." Nor should it say "Ponce, Kingdom of Spain." George Washington, obviously was a colonial revolutionary who was born in Virginia, as mentioned, which was a British colony at the time, and he had a pivotal role in changing it, which is discussed in reliable secondary source material as such. You haven't explained how the Spanish possession of Puerto Rico is relevant to Albizu's life. He was born in 1891. The US invasion of Puerto Rico was 1898. Albizu tranferred to Harvard in 1913. If you have some reliable 3rd party secondary sources about how the changing of colonial rule in Puerto Rico affected Albizu, you could add that. Instead, you unilaterally made a change counter to Wikipedia's policy for naming conventions, and I rightfully reverted you. Go back to the sources and if you have sources we can discuss it. Either way though, the framing would be "Spanish Puerto Rico" to be like George Washington - not "Kingdom of Spain" with no mention of the "Puerto Rico." Andrevan@ 21:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

By referring to “the exchange of colonial rule,” as you have written it tells me that you are uniformed of the historical facts of Puerto Rico and Spain. Puerto Rico was not a colony but a Province of Spain, just as the Canary Islands, Baleric Islands , Andalusia and the rest of Spain is today, not a colony and the contemporaneous historical records support this fact; All citizens were full Spanish citizens fully engaged in their country. It became a Colony with the invasion of the USA during and after the Spanish American war in 1898, until then it was a province. All of this is relevant when displaying historical facts just as it relevant for George Washington place of birth at the time. As for his education I am very aware of this, after all, he knew my grandfather. SantiagoVeláquez (talk) 02:18, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

How can a page be formed and written about the Province of Puerto Rico with all the historical facts? I’d be more than happy to help supply the information and images of supporting historical documents . SantiagoVeláquez (talk) 02:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not the author of the article, I am not claiming to know what is a colony or what is a province legally. I think you're reading a little too much into the details and missing the major point of my message. What it comes down to is that you can't just provide your own images of documents or information unless you can properly Wikipedia:Citing sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources Wikipedia:Verifiability. It is interesting that you are informed on this but Wikipedia:No original research. Andrevan@ 03:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)